How come JMM did better (according to most pople) in the 3rd Pac fight vs the 2nd??

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JMM is a smart fighter.
Pac is not a very smart fighter.

JMM learns and excecutes and wins fights using his intelligence.
Pac relies on physical advantages and his only game plan is to outgun his opponents.

 

I always felt that the second fight was JMM best fight against Pacquiao... I love that fight.. and also the damage... Pacquiao was cut and blood all over the place.. more damage

 

I thought Marquez's win in the second fight was more convincing than his win in the third fight. Either way, Marquez really won both fights.

 

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Pac stated prior to the fight that this was his most important to date and wanted so bad to KO JMM to quiet him and most people from saying JMM had won the first two.

 

Pac came into the fight hungry to KO JMM and remove that blemish called dinamita from his resume...He failed...They both had everything to prove...

Pac wanted to prove he indeed was the better of the two...
JMM that he had beat Pac two times already...

JMM won.

 

In terms of rounds I have it 26-10 for JMM.

 

-Nacho stated that Pacquiao is easier to predict now that he's more technical in his approach.

-Roach stated several times that Marquez might be too aggressive and that it could be his downfall, and that they were going to counter-punch the counter-puncher. I think they were expecting Marquez to come in there guns blazing for a KO or dominant offensive show to prevent a robbery. Clearly, that didn't happen.

-Pacquiao could have been hesitant to overcommitment because he knew what Marquez could do if he made a mistake, and he didn't want to look bad.

-Marquez didn't over-commit to his offense like he did in the 2nd fight, and thus, didn't get knocked down or caught during exchanges and negligent offensives.

 

JMM schooled Pac in all three fights.

The first two fights were close points-wise simply because of the KO's.

3 meetings at 3 different weigh div. in a span of 7 years and JMM won at least 24 out of 36 rounds.

JMM is simply the better fighter.:deal

 

great point, like i said earlier in the thread he learnt from the two fights

 

-Pacquiao being weighed down with unrealistic expectations. Pac was in no way going to knockout someone who doesn't freely engage him...not then, not now, not in the future.

-An overly tactical gameplan took away Pac's stamina/conditioning advantage. I mean if you're fighting a 38 year old, conventional wisdom states you should up the pace instead of playing chess for 12 rounds. I mean seriously Roach? Counterpunch the counterpuncher? WTF was that all about. Although Pac did "box" fairly effectively.

-Familiarity; JMM had 24 prior rounds with Pac so that "shock and awe" factor Pac enjoys with first-time opponents was a nonfactor. JMM knows Pac's movements almost as well as his own.

 

Thats always the key with Pacquiao. He's so easy for Marquez to time and hit, Marquez has to fight himself not to press the accelerator and go for the gusto. Doing so give's Pacquiao that opportunity to time and land that big shot that has put Marquez down.

The only difference from fight 2 to 3 was that Marquez was concious that if he he got overly excited and overcommited, he could find himself on the seat of his pants again.
The night before fight 3, Marquez was telling every reporter that was interviewing him that he thought the key to get the judges on his side this time was to prevent from hitting the canvas and have that stigma left on the judges for the remainder of the fight that would cause them to sway rounds toward Pacquiao.

Marquez was still aggressive in the way he leveraged and torqued his punches, but this time he limited his his combinations from 4 and 5+ punches and toned it down to two's and three's. Though he still varied it up and threw some 4's and 5's keeping Pacquiao guessing and unable to time him with guessing how many shots Marquez would come with.

This variation kept Pacquiao guessing and clueless all night.

Another thing I might add is that though Marquez lowered his combination output and threw less 4's and 5's, he was loading up putting more leverage in his punches in this last 3rd fight. Pacquiao felt that power and was'nt too comfortable in letting his own hands go for fear that Marquez could land that big shot Pacquiao was feeling.

 

Those unrealistic expectations were your own!

.....and get out of here trying to blame Roach for his "trying to box with the boxer."
Pacquiao tried to change up and go for the gusto, he was driven back by a Marquez forceful combination everytime. The results were a gunshy Pacquiao who armpunched his way throughout the entire fight and rarely commited for fear of tasting Marquez' hard straight right.

.....and dont beat around the bush, Marquez controlled Pacquiao, no if's, and's, or but's!!!

 

What a boat-load of biased bull****.

 

In short Pac has actually become a more adapt boxer which actually works to his detriment against JMM.
When a inferior boxer tries to box a master boxer its usually a recipe for disaster (look at Gatti vs Mayweather)

What makes Pac a ATG is his tazmanian devil type of output/speed/aggression/power that completely overwhelmes people, hence getting the knockdowns on JMM before he warmsup.

Pac becoming a better boxer is a good thing vs less skilled people as it makes him get hit less, but vs great boxers it works to his disadvantage.

Also JMM had 24 rounds of making adjustments to perfect his gameplan and he executed it to near perfection and pretty much the entire world saw it outside of a few die hard Pac obsessed and a few paid off judges.

 

Pac was, for some reason, so cautious in that fight and try to be cute with it. Had he gone all out like he did in the first two fights, he would have done better in my opinion. As it stands, he lost a close fight to JMM.