Do you agree with Raskin's take on Mayweather Pac?

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  1. acr347

    acr347 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I thought this was good article on the state of relativity and boxing this year.

    I also agree with the authors query of why Mayweather seems obstinate to making the fight after Pac's last 2 outings. It puzzles me as well.
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    If a picture is worth a thousand words, then a tweet is worth … well, at 140 characters max, certainly a whole lot less than a thousand words. Maybe 32 or so, I’d guesstimate. Unless there’s a Twitpic attached, in which case it’s worth about 1,032 words.

    Nevertheless, this Twitpic-free tweet from Floyd Mayweather on Wednesday is certainly worth a thousand words of reaction: “I’m fighting Miguel Cotto on May 5th because Miss Pac Man is ducking me.” The tweet was just 14 little words long, but its emotional impact on this longtime boxing fan and writer is not so succinctly summed up.

    A list of some of the feelings stirred by “Money’s” loaded declaration: anticipation, excitement, depression, frustration, anger, bewilderment, revulsion, confusion, and maybe even a little guilt and self-loathing. Allow me to lie down on Dr. Melfi’s couch and explain.

    On the one hand, Mayweather vs. Cotto is a decent fight, the most marketable and second most competitive (behind only Mayweather vs. Sergio Martinez) fight Floyd could have considered if we take Manny Pacquiao out of the equation. It’s a big event. On certain levels, I’m looking forward to it.

    However, I’d still need about 8-1 odds to even think about betting on Cotto. That’s not a good sign. Mayweather-Cotto is to Mayweather-Pacquiao as The Departed is to Goodfellas. It’s the difference between having Andy Reid reliably guide you to 10 wins a season and an early playoff exit and Bill Belichick take you to 13 wins and a Super Bowl title. It’s serviceable vs. spectacular. And of course, relativity works both ways. This ain’t Mayweather-Pacquiao, but at least it isn’t Mayweather-Robert Guerrero, right? In a year in which nothing has gone right so far for fight fans, Mayweather-Cotto is both a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow and a slap in the face.

    Then there’s the “Miss Pac Man is ducking me” part of the tweet. Never mind the misogynistic derision from a man who recently pled guilty to beating a woman. I’d rather focus on the word “ducking.” Is that what we call it when a man expresses an interest in fighting you and suddenly you find a new way to sabotage negotiations by insisting a 50-50 purse split is unacceptable? Just when public sentiment had turned in favor of Mayweather and against Bob Arum, Floyd found a way to turn it back against himself. You get the feeling that if Manny said he’d let Mayweather keep 100 percent of the money, Mayweather would say there’s no deal unless the fight takes place in his Las Vegas mansion with both fighters riding Segways for 90 seconds of every round.

    If Mayweather doesn’t want to fight Pacquiao, for whatever reason (and there aren’t many that make sense after how human Pac-Man looked against Juan Manuel Marquez in November), then so be it. But, please Floyd, at least have the self-awareness not to accuse the guy of ducking you five minutes after you publicly ducked him!

    I guess I should appreciate Mayweather vs. Cotto for what it is: two of the three most bankable fighters in the sport facing each other, neither of whom is totally shot (even if Cotto is significantly less potent than he was five years ago), with a chance for entertainment value because Mayweather picked an opponent who’s never been in a bad fight. But I can’t commit to that positive spin. I just can’t. And that makes me feel a few pangs of guilt, like there’s something wrong with me.

    The sad reality is that, even with the signing of the somewhat appealing Mayweather-Cotto fight, 2012 has a chance to be the worst year for boxing since World War II. Granted, we have a tendency to exaggerate everything in the moment; if you believe what you read on Twitter, Blake Griffin’s dunk on Kendrick Perkins was, for a few hours, the greatest play in the history of sports. So I’m probably guilty of some hyperbole here if I call this boxing’s lowest point in 70 years.

    But look at what fight fans have been subjected to so far in 2012: the latest month-long BS Mayweather-Pacquiao tease; the postponement of January’s only big fight, Erik Morales vs. Danny Garcia; the postponement of February’s biggest and best fight, Victor Ortiz vs. Andre Berto; and rather than a can’t-miss fourth fight between Pacquiao and Marquez in June, probably Pacquiao-Tim Bradley, which could be a stylistic nightmare and rates to be far less competitive than Pac-JMM IV. There’s so little going on that some folks have gotten excited about Epix airing three heavyweight “title” fights in three weeks, even though those fights are Vitali Klitschko-Dereck Chisora, Alexander Povetkin-Marco Huck, and, God help us, Wladimir Klitschko-Jean-Marc Mormeck. 2012 has not been kind to boxing fans so far, that isn’t likely to change over the next few weeks, and there’s nothing coming up that convinces me it’s going to change in the spring, summer, or fall.

    Ending where we began, with Twitter: My follow boxing scribe David Greisman tweeted on Wednesday, “I can’t get excited about Mayweather-Cotto. I don’t know if this makes me jaded or realistic.”

    I know what it makes you, David: both. Everything is relative. Relative to the fight we all want to see and probably never will, Mayweather-Cotto is a miserable excuse for a superfight. Relative to the rest of the 2012 calendar, Mayweather-Cotto is a true superfight.

    Because it’s the only superfight we’ve got.

    And if you think your emotions are conflicted now, wait until mid-April when an injury postpones the fight.

    Eric Raskin can be contacted at
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  2. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    good read.

    floyd is delusional. he called pacquiao on twitter only to refuse a 50/50 split offered by pacquiao which is very fair for a fight of this magnitude. only *****s would ever think that floyd is right on this one.
     
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    Good summary on the state of boxing at the moment. Sad but true
     
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    nastynas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, Floyd called out Pac, while Pac and his slavemaster went through 35 different excuses and said they had an opponent in mind already.

    Floyd negotiated, pac and arum avoided.

    You don't like what he offers? They you counteroffer dipshits. And funny how Floyd had to go out of his way to actually call him directly and Pac still wouldn't go to Arum and try to get him to make the fight. I feel sorry for any people he represents back home for having a person represent them who is so easily manipulated.
     
  9. seansanashee

    seansanashee Boxing Addict Full Member

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    2012 could also be a very good year. There are some good potential fights this year: V. Klitschko vs Haye, Pacquiao vs Mayweather, Cotto vs Mayweather.

    We then have Ortiz and Khan trying to re-establish themselves.

    Proven fighters looking to get to the next level: Bradley, Peterson, Burns, Povetkin, Senchenko, Alvarez, Martinez.

    Good prospects coming through: Wilder, Mitchell, Brook.

    2012 could turn out to be a great year, lets not be so negative.
     
  10. daprofessor

    daprofessor da legendary professor Full Member

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    i don't agree with his take. he's a guy who has bought into the greatness of pac's smoke and mirrors. i lost all interest in may/pac a long time ago. i knew it would be a one sided affair after the 2nd pac/jmm fight. i was even more convinced after pac/jmm3. i think bradley/pac is all wrong for pac and he will lose this one. sure...it would have been nice to see may/pac happen just to shut up all the delusional ppl that are convinced pac has a chance to win. i like cotto's chances against floyd. sure, he's supposed to lose....but i think this one is going to be tougher than most think. best case scenario....both pac and floyd lose and every one shuts up about "the fight to save boxing." boxing doesn't need saving....and floyd/pac aren't the ones i'd call on to save it. floyd/pac would have played out like floyd/gatti. that fight...along with the floyd/dlh fight...are the kind of fights that push fans away. ppl were convinced that gatti and dlh had a chance. i knew better.