Does Cotto Have Any Chance What So Ever?

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  1. FlatNose

    FlatNose Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Remember how Cotto was caught by Manny's short, quick counterpunches and hurt or dropped, even when he was appearing to be doing some good work?
    Well Floyd, rusty or not, is a little quicker than Manny, punches a little shorter and a bit more accurate.
    Floyd will accomplish more against Cotto than Manny did, and get hit less.
    The kayo would be there for Floyd, but unless Cotto displays his chin like a neon sign, Ortiz-style, he'll probably opt for his typical, safety first , methodical outclassing of his opponent.
     
  2. RingKing

    RingKing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I hope you are being sarcastic since Cotto does have a decent chance of pulling off the upset. PBF isn't going to pressure him like Margarito, thus giving Cotto plenty of time to try and carry out his game plan. Plus, he isn't that slow, has enough pop in his punches to keep PBF honest, and has short, straight punches. It's a decent fight that I'll watch when it re-airs on HBO.
     
  3. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    ya man exactly what I've seen too. I think it was the Baldomir fight that I watched and was like wtf. Floyd has slowed down more than I thought. and he weighed around the same amount too
     
  4. Slothrop

    Slothrop Boxing Junkie banned

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    Crazier **** has happened in the ring.
     
  5. JMP

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    I've seen a number of people compare him to Bernard Hopkins in the sense that he'll be able to fight into his 40s (and I don't doubt that he could), but I think if he chose to fight that long, he'd have to develop a style more like an older James Toney's where he's more flatfooted and stationary and looks to use a more fundamental/jab oriented approach or walk forward, roll/slip punches, and counterpunch off of the misses. Hopkins was somehow able to display great movement, angles, and agility up until recently. I don't think Mayweather could do that into his 40s.
     
  6. milkman11

    milkman11 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In my opinion, I see Floyd walking him down by the third round and pressuring the hell out of Cotto.
     
  7. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Ya I agree with you on that a lot. Even Hopkins moves around more than Floyd does, but I guess that's not apart of Floyd strategy. I'm just worried that when Floyd does need to use his legs, that won't be available.
    When I watch his legs now, they kinda remind me of mine when I'm tired and can't bend my legs as much anymore. I start to stand up straight more and have my legs stiffer while not being able to move as fluidly.

    That's why I think your James Toney comparison is very spot on.
     
  8. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    Well Mayweather has been more stationary in his come back this may allow Cotto to land

    as far as win i dont see it
     
  9. sp550i

    sp550i Boxing Addict Full Member

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    floyd don't need to use all that athletiscm any more. Floyd now is like kobe last year without all the injuries. He beats you with his mind and not with his body.
     
  10. Ilesey

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    Of course has has a chance. He can dig and works well to the body. If he can pressure Mayweather right you never know. Honestly, I see him gassing after about 7-8 rounds as Mayweather potshots with more regularity. This will go to the cards and be a clear UD for Mayweather 118-110.
     
  11. Bogotazo

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    He stopped Quintana with a body attack early on that damaged his shoulder, broke Judah down with body work, and was ripping Mosley's body all night as he backed him up and timed him. Floyd doesn't hit harder and attacks the body less frequently than a prime Cotto did.

    I expect to get an onslaught of a thousand trolls in doing so, but I just might. It's always fun trying to put together the necessary components for an upset on paper and then hoping for them to come together in the lead up to and on fight night.

    That's a good point; jabbing less frequently, clinching with less work being done, etc. But I think that can be attributed to Cotto having to move literally the whole time. I don't think Margarito was ever going to get to him, but that kind of pressure is something that Floyd doesn't bring. Floyd may be more efficient and technical in his pressure, but the pace is not nearly as overwhelming; I think Cotto's improved lateral movement would give him the chance to take away Floyd's offensive angle and force him to chase if he's really bent on attacking, giving Cotto opportunities to break rhythm and counter or rush in unpredictably and throw combinations before moving again.

    The point about Foreman is interesting; the way he controlled the center there against a more mobile opponent was masterful. Completely relaxed, and often getting to spots Foreman was getting to even before he did at times due to pure ring savvy. That is the difference between what Cotto could/should do, and what Castillo, for all his veteran experience, failed to do back in the rematch. And I agree, the sharpness will be key. In his prime, even when he tired, Cotto was always offensively alert and aware, which waned a bit in his later fights, but I think with the fire back in his heart, he can recapture that level of acute sharpness in the ring and use it to his benefit. I mean, watching him switch southpaw and time Mosley with the jab going backwards as well as forwards reminds you how good his timing was and all the different ways he could land his punches through different windows of opportunity.
     
  12. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    I hear you, but you can be the smartest fighter in the world, but if your body doesn't react you want it to, then there's nothing you can do. I don't think we're at that stage yet though and I predict another master piece of course, but you know what I mean :D
     
  13. the_truth

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    Timing is everything. Cotto has found peace and has his wife and family again in his side. A trainer which they seem to understand each other and mentally very supportive. A shoulder injury finally heal, no lawsuits pending, hunger for boxing once again, has not been involve in a fight in which he has taken a lot of punishment or cut recently, not weight drain. Everything has fallen into place for Cotto to be at his best for Floyd. In the other side Floyd has many things going on. Fighting at 154 is not something we have seen Floyd often and it will be interesting to see against Cotto who has fought guys like Mayorga and Margarito that were most likely close to or over 170 lbs on fight night. Floyd also fights at a pace were Cotto loves. Anything could happen.
     
  14. Bobdigi

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    5 years ago perhaps 2day no chance

    Cotto is damaged goods he got battered to pieces by concrete fists and then smashed to bits by a man who forced him to come in weight drained with no power and refused to take the test whilst laughing at his hardest body blows then going off to sing at a concert in a casino. this **** can hurt a proud man like miguel!!

    forget his physical attributes of capabilitys. Mentally Cotto is less than half of what he used to be (a beast) and after a couple rounds of floyd playing with him and hitting him at will... he'll shrink into nothing and fall apart.... a beaten man!!
     
  15. Delroc

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    this is boxing everybody has a chance on any given night, but cotto definitely has a slim ass chance.