i see what your saying but its not a valid point imo, 2 different sports and they shouldnt be used to compare like this condit done good his gameplan was perfect but it didnt do much from a fans POV.
Why is this Condit's fault? Why didn't Diaz do what he does best and try to push the pace of the fight and force Condit to engage?
diaz came unstuck, he was failing to pull the trigger after rd2, he found it hard to counter condit, bad performance and his corner were terrible too for not telling him he was losing the fight, his brother said he was up 3 to 1 going into the last :huh
People need to go easy on Condit. He came in with a good gameplan of stick and move, and when he did engage, he was throwing some hard shots. He threw a load of flying knees, high kicks and spinning backfists trying to hurt Diaz, its not like he ran way just throwing leg kicks all night hoping for a points decision.
****ing A' But, I don't know if he is a Diaz nut.. What I am certain of is the OP is a bigger fan of violence than the art MMA has become. Condit executed, outclassed, and landed some wonderful combinations in those exchanges. Burn CC at the stake for not finishing Nick Diaz? Is he serious?? The man has come back from the dead to win time after time, and was only ever finished at the end of a 3 man tournament. Like I said.. Finishing a fight is not more important than winning. This is why he is on the internet and not training world class talent.
Diaz is a tank, but for whatever reason Popkins wants to hold it against CC for not finishing him. Anyone who thinks a man with a 90% finishing rate wouldn't have put away his opponent if the opportunity presented itself should not be taken seriously.
Personally, I loved Condit's performance. Not just because I dislike Diaz, but because I was wowed by his ability to keep cool [Diaz acting like a whiny ***** to him] and overcome adversity [Diaz's unlimited endurance and chin] while employing a tactical master class that was far from a standard points win [this was not a lay and pray victory from the Jon Fitch school; no, it was a clinic of movement, angles, and attack and counterattack variety, all of which are not seen of nearly enough in MMA (namely lateral movement)]. I personally nominate his [Condit's] performance as among my top 20 favorite of all time. Was thoroughly entertained. Edit: I ****ing loved how everyone at the sports bar I was at was whining or pissed or shocked (or a combination of all 3) when the results were announced. I really found no possible way to give Diaz a victory, even if I tried to make a personal case for him or to entertain that of others. It was marvelous
:good Don't know if I'd put it in my top 20, (though it's not out of the question) but I thoroughly enjoyed the fight and am a MUCH bigger Condit fan now than I was before. I don't need to see a toughman contest every time out, and Diaz's childish mugging and taunting just made him look a fool when Condit was too smart to fall for his bull****. Bottom line is that Condit owned Diaz and made a fool out of him. He beat him physically. He beat him psychologically. He made him look clueless, ineffective and one-dimensional. And then to cap it off, he made him throw a pathetic tantrum after the fight. He made tough-guy Diaz whine and cry like a *****. Condit was clearly the better man last night and he thoroughly deserves the interim belt. :hat
Why are you being so disrespectful towards Nick? The level of MMA fan around these parts, I tell ya...
I mean I'll defend Condit's perfromance but so people are going too far in the other direction. It was a close fight, either guy could have won and Condit edged it by being the smarter.
Touche. :yep Though to be honest, I wouldn't be nearly as harsh on Diaz if it wasn't for his embarrassing, ineffective tough-guy bull**** posturing during the fight, and then his sulking and crying after the fight. I give him credit for manning up and giving respect to Condit, but I have never enjoyed Diaz's attitude, and I enjoyed seeing him outsmarted, outstruck and sent home crying like a little kid. :good It was a good fight. Diaz was certainly competitive, but he spent too much time talking **** in the cage, and not enough time being effective or ad******g to his opponent's gameplan. He still doesn't understand that it isn't a toughman contest. Still, I hope to see him in the cage again, because there's no doubt that he is a very good fighter and he brings a lot of excitement to the arena. I just think the guy is a dick and a moron, and I enjoyed seeing him humbled. :good :hat
'Always'? 'Always'? 'A striker should always come out with the intention of winning by KO'? What if the striker is a tad feather fisted at world level? Or what about if the fighter in question is reasonably heavy handed but his opponent is blessed with an iron chin? Is it not reasonable to entertain an alternative method of victory - explore other avenues in which a fighter might secure victory without enacting a rather risky strategy of trying to stop a granite chinned foe? Condit undoubtedly has heavy hands, but he doesn't hit harder then Daley. And Daley didn't ****ing stop Diaz. And yet you still think Condit should've opted to engage with Diaz, in order to prove his 'warrior' credentials? Similarly what if the bj specialist encounters another fighter with superior credentials to himself? Let's look at the Maia Palhares match up that many have voiced a desire to witness; many actually deem Palhares to be the superior practitioner. In this hypothesis let's say there is actually a consensus that Palhares is the superior pure bjj practitioner. Wouldn't he best advised to concentrate on trying to outstrike Palhares, despite not being a striker as such? Again what if said wrestler doesn't have destructive GnP? What if said wrestler is able to take his opponent down at will, and maintain top position, but is not particularly adept at ending fights? Should they be barred from pursuing a career in mma due to their deficiencies in this department? You do realise that a lot of fighters are not really blessed with fight ending capabilities at the very highest level? Sonnen, Bisping, Fitch ... That's a nice furtive insult with which to conclude your analysis. How do you know Condit 'fear(ed)' Diaz (which is what you've clearly intimated). He might have decided that he wouldn't able to finish Diaz via any means, (and with good reason), and decided that he would try to utilise his advantages. Maybe he values winning more than appeasing the audience. Maybe he wants to tell his kids that he fought for (and possibly won) the title, as opposed to telling them that he was a gutsy guy who fought gamely, but ultimately unsuccessfully. Jeez, a man fights one smart, calculated fight, and now he's fearful. :-( Later in the thread you claim you do not want to discredit/devalue Condit's career - you only wish to criticise his most recent performance. Well that was a lie wasn't it? I guess you call probably refer to Roberto Duran as 'The Quitter' as well right? I guess you're not really a fan of Bernard Hopkins after all then. What are you? Some sort of ****ing child? You state that it was 'utter, utter nonsense' to claim that you 'crave violence', and yet you're advocating that Condit should've put it all on the line, unnecessarily? Incidentally what did you make of Jones Jr vs Toney? Was Roy a coward as well? This gets better an better. Now Condit isn't a 'real fighter'. Pot. Kettle. Black. So Diaz's shortcomings are to be overlooked are they? Remember when you said 'Condit is a striker, he should try to win by KO or die trying'? You explicitly advocated that Condit should endanger himself to a) make for a more interesting bout b) because mma will die if fighters continue to employ a more calculated approach c) because true fighters will always, always look for a means of ending a fight before the bell. (B & C are utter bollocks btw) And one day you will be revered for your stoic, noble outlook my dear. We get it. Condit is not 'a real fighter'. No you're not 'criticising his whole career'. Other then intimating that he's not 'a real fighter' on numerous occasions. And questioning his bravery. And branding him 'The Natural Born Runner/Legkiller'. Again, what would you've said if Condit went at Diaz aggressively, been fought off, and stopped? Unlucky Carlos? Yay Diaz? Now he's 'sold out the principles of fighting' - I had no idea one man could do such irreparable damage to the sport!!! If this is true, I look forward to your next thread Popkins!