Potentially Controversial Topic - Duran

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by bazza12, Feb 12, 2012.


  1. bazza12

    bazza12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    First of all, let me stress that I love Roberto Duran. I own a career set, I have a picture of him above my bed and I would love to have grown up in his era to witness him first hand.

    This thread revolves around the night of June 16th 1983, the night Roberto battered Davey Moore into submission. The very same night, on the undercard, Luis Resto pounded another undefeated fighter, Billy Collins, into defeat, but was later found guilty of tampered handwraps and gloves.

    One thing I do not know fully is the level of involvement Panama Lewis had with Duran, so if anyone could inform me that would be great. Given the situation, however, I am surprised that this night, and Roberto's win, has never been viewed with more suspicion - especially among the more imaginative on here.

    I know this will go down like a bag of cold sick, especially with fellow Duran fans, but I will put my neck on the chopping block and ask, given the circumstances and the nature of Roberto's win, has the thought ever crossed your mind that Duran's handwraps and/or gloves may have been tampered with that night?

    Please note: this is not an invitation for trolls to start criticising Duran's legacy, nor am I accusing Duran of anything (I wouldn't dare).

    Edit: The views of older fans that were actually around at the time of this fight would obviously be great.
     
  2. janeschicken

    janeschicken hard work! deadicayshin! Full Member

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    Robert Duran was from Panama. FACT
    Panama Lewis used plaster of paris with his fighters. FACT
    Ergo Roberto Duran used plaster of paris in his fights. FACT.
     
  3. bazza12

    bazza12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Are you being serious?

    There is nothing factual to go upon, it is pure speculation. I'm just asking a question.

    Are you a Duran fan? I suppose I'm also interested to see what other fans of Duran think, or if they have ever even thought about this before.
     
  4. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    His role was comparable to Buboy's with Pacquiao. An interpreter but also a motivator at the same time.

    Personally, I don't think Lewis was close enough to Duran to do something like this. Was he in the corner for the Moore fight after what happened with Collins? I'd be surprised if he was.
     
  5. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    janeschicken is right

    close thread.
     
  6. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hands of stone...

    No way to tell, doubt Panama was stupid enough to use that glove tactic with every fighter for every fight, the risk would increase greatly. Duran still proved to be a big puncher after Panama.

    Also if Resto-Collins fight was an undercard to Duran-Moore, wouldnt they have been extra careful with the checking of gloves come Duran's fight when they have just found something funny with Resto-Collins?
     
  7. bazza12

    bazza12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thanks, I'd read Christian Guidice's bio a while back but couldn't remember Lewis' role with Roberto.

    Not sure if Lewis' was in the corner at that point in the night, he probably had other fires to fight. Having said that, anything backhand would have taken place in the dressing room a while before anyway.

    True. In all honesty I see it as no more than an intriguing coincidence, but it was something that crossed my mind. The Resto incident was by all accounts created by a betting scandal. I remember Resto saying their was money riding on his victory. If that was the case it rules that incident as a total one-off.
     
  8. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Its not that far fetched ..But Duran was an excellent boxer ..Tough considering his trainer and his history !
     
  9. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    this is actually a very interesting question...this of course was before my day

    wasnt duran considered washed up and the underdog and then he just battered Moore, i mean maybe

    but i wouldnt support this unless there was just a little more evidence than that Panama Lewis was involved with Duran

    I mean i dont think he was one of the 3 men in his corner and if he was handling the resto mess he probably wasnt in the dressing room doing the gloves and if he was they were extra cautious i imagine or id hope
     
  10. Ric Flair

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  11. duranimal

    duranimal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol::lol::lol:

    What a ****in mentality some people have on here:-(

    I suppose he had a ****in horseshoe in his glove when he decked that 6ft 1in monster Iran "The Blade" Barkley in the 11th "YES" the same Iran Barkley that had just obliterated Tommy "Hitman" Hearns:smoke

    It's proberbly obvious that it had **** all to do with the fact that Duran is one of the greatest boxers of all time that he can dissect these bigger boys when well into his 30's by utillising the skills that had him dominating a decade at 135 & outboxing & beating up the recognised P4P Olympic Goldenboy in SRL when approaching 30 & 2 divs up from his natural fighting weight. Go watch the 2nd round against SRL in Montreal when he dropped a left counter onto SRL jaw that sent SRL into breakdance mode.

    Duran even went up futher too 160 take on the mighty HAGLER when other feinthearts SRL/Hearns fled from the idea of a hammering at the hands of a prime Hagler & Duran stepped up 5 months after pulping Moore & only just got pipped at the post.

    The TS could no doubt make a positive contribution too the sort of imbicile threads below:

    Alien Abduction.
    Area 54
    2nd gunman/grassy knoll
    9/11= FBI Conspiricy.
     
  12. bazza12

    bazza12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :lol: I had a feeling you would take the greatest offense to this particular thread. Like I said, the suggestion was always going to go down like a bag of cold sick with fellow Duran fans.

    So, answering my question, I'd take it the thought has never crossed your mind? I'm not accusing Duran of anything, I stressed that initially. I just think it's a topic that could be interesting to discuss.
     
  13. duranimal

    duranimal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why on earth would it ever cross my mind that Duran would need an advantage to smash Moore to pieces!!! Lewis was viewed as poison after Pryor/Arguello 1.

    If anything went down with Duran/Moore it was the case of John Gotti allegedly informing Moore that he was a deadman if he beat Duran.
     
  14. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    I didnt know that, wonder if its true, how big of an underdog was duran?
     
  15. CharlesUpham

    CharlesUpham VC and Bar Full Member

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    He also punched Ken Buchanan in the balls the cheating wee **** that he is.