Which Middle weight has the best chance of beating Monzon?

As much as I admired the Hitman,I can't see him beating Monzon. Hearns would build up a solid early lead,but Carlos would eventually break him down and stop him before the fifteenth.

We're talking about,arguably,the best middleweight of all time versus,possibly the greatest 154 lb man,who was patchy at the middleweight limit.

 

For all of Monzons' genius I can't see him winning against a prime Jones. The man just had super human speed, reflexes and big punching power at Middleweight.

 

Yes, I agree with you here..you put it real well.

 

1. Because umm let me think, what happened in the rematch again and what was about to happen when Jones upped the tempo? Now let's look at performances against equal or better technicians in Reggie Johnson, Harding, Toney arguably 2 of those men beat Griffin. No doubt the jab and timing is key for Monzon, whether he get's it working is another matter.

2. Strawman arguments, Jones was untounchable for 10years of world championship boxing, Monzon is hardly a devastating puncher against similarly sized men

3. So you're banking on Monzon setting the perfect trap and landing the perfect counter punch. Monzon may have been able to make a 34yo 5'7 Napoles over reach, but a different ball game here though

4. Except he has a track record of doing just that against something like 15 world champions. It should be taken for granted that Jones is going to massively outland Monzon in clear punches early

5. You make a big deal out of Monzon's experience, all those fights don't necessarily make him more skilled or a better fighter. He was drawing with Briscoe in his 49th fight and he was said by Briscoe to have improved after that and he surely needed to, to compete at the top level.

Tougher than all bar Hopkins? Well not many come much tougher than Toney, McCallum and Hill. How was Monzon bigger than McCallum given they had identical heights/reaches?

6. Now you're actually making a decent boxing argument. That Monzon's fundamentals MAY serve him better down the straight. Comparing it to Delahoya-Mayweather isn't realistic though, Jones is much better at slipping and countering jabs and beating a jabber to the punch and Monzon hasn't got 2 weight classes on Jones as DLH had over FMJ

So as Jones pace slows the jab and fundamentals should start to take over?. In theory this is more of a possibility (if Monzon survives). But Jones does not fade significantly in any of his fights, he fights hard in the championship rounds, even in Tarver 1 where he is breathing through his mouth in the mid rounds and is faced with a big powerful southpaw 1-2, he adjusts and pulls out the championship rounds

The evidence to say Jones would fade just isn't there. He actually usually turned up the pace in the championship rounds rather than faded. How many championship rounds (10-12) from 93-03 did he lose? Jones also has better conditioning and fought at a faster pace than Monzon


7. And in his 26th fight he dominated Toney and in his 21st dominated Hopkins.

8. Sometimes greats dominate other greats - Armstrong-Ross, Tyson-Spinks, Ali-Liston/Foreman, Patterson-Moore and Jones-Toney/Hopkins for that matter. Stylistically it could happen here

9. I'm not sure why Monzon is considered a 'killer', a quality ring general and technician no doubt, but not a killer? OK let's exclude wives for a moment

10. That's where we differ, I don't consider Monzon a tougher head to head challenge than Hopkins or Toney.

 

How about a fighter who beat (several times in some cases) Hall of Famers like Gene Tunney, Mickey Walker, Tommy Loughran, Maxie Rosenbloom, Mike Gibbons, Jack Dillon, Tommy Gibbons, Battling Levinsky, Kid Norfolk, Jimmy Slattery and Leo Houck?

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Although I rank him higher I think Marvin loses a close decision in a FOTY slugfest. Both granite jawed - Monzon vs Hagler wudda been awesome!!

Harry Greb beats him by decision just like he does to every middleweight in history if it's prime vs prime.

Sugar Ray Robinson probably does what he always does, loses to Monzon first then totally schools him in a rematch.

BHop's defense and style would give Monzon hell, he probably wouldn't beat Monzon but he wouldn't make Carlos look good at all.

 

Tommy Hearns might give Monzon a close-ish boxing match :bbb, But lose most times IMO.


Foreman Hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooook!:smoke

 

Monzon's power seems to be often disparaged on here.

He was a really heavy handed fighter imo.Debilitating clubbing power...he just didn't throw his hardest shots round after round and preferred to take things slow over the first third(which certain fighters may take advantage of).

 

McGrain, we're talking about a prime MW Jones, your all over the place dude.

 

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That's all I read :hi: Oh and Monzon wins because Mayweather backed up from Delahoya's jab

Which of Monzon's shitty opponents was the best again?

 

I think Monzon would beat Lamotta convincingly but I think Jones is a cut above Monzon, though I'm not really sure how the fight would look.

Characterisically noncommital of you

 

PowerPuncher got owned something fierce.