Mormeck Vs Ibrugimov did anyone watch this?

i remember it was close but Mormeck deserved the win

 

It was a very close fight that arguably could have gone either way, leaning toward Ibragimov. It was hard to score because so many of the punches were snuck in at close quarters, as each guy held or mauled. In order to accurately trace all the punches, you must give the fight a very close watch.

Granted, in each round, Mormeck landed those few punches which were flashiest, and most noticeable. However, if you watch closely, very often Ibragimov comes back with a sneaky, hard to see punches of his own, thus nullifying Mormeck's flashy (and unhurtful) blows).

I think the ones who picked Mormeck did so because of naivety, and because they were overimpressed with Mormeck's big isolated shots. These fans overlooked Ibragimov's many punches, particularly peppery left jabs to the heard, and shot rights to the ribs. They were simple mindedly overimpressed by Mormeck's isolated big, obvious, flashy punches.

In terms of how the rounds went, Ibragimov definetely won the first four rounds with mobile footwork and jabbing. At most, Mormeck might have landed a hard hook or two, but those hard shots were vastly overshadowed by Ibragimov's many jabs.

Possibly, the fourth could have been called even, but most likely it went to Ibragimov.

Mormeck definitely won the fifth, with superior aggression, and a couple of hard shots to the head. During this round, Ibragimov stopped dancing for some reason.

The sixth and seventh were won by Mormeck big. I think these are the rounds that the naive fans remember. Mormeck landed some big head shots on the now stationary Iggy, although the punches didn't really hurt Iggy. In the seventh, Iggy definitely appeared to be slowing down badly, as if he were out of shape. Mormeck landed some more head shots, then towards the end of the round, engaged Iggy in a lengthy exchange of shots to the head in which every single one of Iggy's shots missed, yet every single one of Mormeck's punches connected. The French crowd went nuts.

The eighth was either even, or more likely, for Mormeck, who kept up his aggression. However, in this round, for the first time, Mormeck slowed down, and he looked as if he was bothered by Iggy's increasing rights to the ribs.

Round nine was Mormeck's last big round. He actually staggered Iggy with a big right uppercut, knocking Iggy's mouthpiece. Iggy was unhurt, but he clearly lost the round by a wide margin.

In the tenth, the tide of combat totally changed, as Mormeck as now exhausted and clinched freqently. Meanwhile, Iggy was coming on strong with the rights to the body every chance he got. Late in the round, Iggy hurt Mormeck with a heavy right to the ribs, and Mormeck doubled over in a ball. The fighters then clinched, mauled, and hit on the break, when inexplicably the French referee intervened to give Mormeck a rest and penalize Iggy for holding (in fact, they were both holding, particularly Mormeck).

In rounds 11 and 12, the fighters clinched liked octopuses, mostly because Mormeck was dead tired and kept clasping Iggy's elbows every single change he got. The ref never warned Mormeck for holding. Throughout the these rounds, Iggy kept slamming the rights to the ribs, and sometimes Mormeck even seemed to be holding his own ribs to assuage the pain. Every now and then, Mormeck unleashed long range, very flashy looking but ineffective fast left jabs or weak hooks to the head. Mormeck was now so tired that he couldn't throw more than one punch at a time. Meanwhile, Iggy kept smacking the body, landing more punches and clearly doing more damage to his opponent.

When the fight ended, nobody made a big deal about the possibility of Iggy winning because the bout was held in Paris, where Mormeck's promotional company and Joe LaGuardia of Star Boxing had placed two of the three judges and the referee. Everyone knows Mormeck doesn't lose at home, even if he's far behind on points.

The one judge that was appointed by the WBA -- and not Mormeck's promoters -- scored the fight for Iggy. Many news reports had Iggy winning or regarded the fight as too close to call.

 

Mormeck looked like crap. He won chiefly by forcing his way inside Iggy, who was not allowed to clinch, push, or grab Mormeck's neck by the hometown referee. Mormeck was also allowed to use his elbows to ram his way at Iggy's chest, then unload some shots before the guys wrestled. Can you imagine Mormeck getting away with this against Vlad? No way.

In truth, Iggy looked sloppy as well. Not a good night for him physically. Still, if Mormeck had that much trouble with the 6'3", 224 lbs. Iggy, just imagine what 6'7", 245 lbs. behemoth Klitschko will do to him.

Also, favoring Mormeck, is that Iggy didn't do much roadwork for this fight due to an injured Achilles Heel suffered several months earlier. When the fight was offered to Iggy in early November (after Rahman suddenly pulled out), Iggy had less than four weeks to prepare. He was in Sweden sparring with Attila Leven (getting Leven ready for Helenius), and Iggy's manager therefore argued that Iggy needed no special sparring partners to prepare for Mormeck. Note that Attila is 6'5", and Mormeck is 5'11". Big difference in style.

Because of the lack of short, muscule sparring partners who wade in while crouching, Iggy totally missed out on chances to practice using his left hook and right uppercut against a smaller, aggressive guy. Pathetic lack of preparation for Iggy (which wasn't his fault).

In the fifth or sixth round, Iggy's Achilles tendon snapped again. That's probably why he stopped dancing and jabbing, which had achieved so much success in the first rour rounds.

Because of all these factors, Mormeck basically bulled his way at Iggy for much of the fight, particularly the middle rounds, and got his awkward shots off first, without Iggy being able to dance away, or clinch. Only later in the fight did Iggy find the successful strategy of staying inside, and smacking Mormeck's ribs with rights. By then, there were only four rounds left to the fight, though.

An interesting sidenote here is that when the fight was first offered to Iggy, he said "no way," knowing that a robbery was certain to happen in Paris. Iggy's Miami promoters, however, promised to fly to Paris with four Latin American WBA officials, thus eliminated Mormeck's European hacks. At the last moment, Iggy's promoter showed up in Paris with no Latin American officials. The only reason Iggy got one neutral judge is because he threatened to walk if the judges weren't changed.

Long story short, Iggy would never have flown to Paris is he realized the four Latin American officials would not appear.

All things considered, Iggy was only about 70% of himself in Paris. Ironically, Iggy was in near perfect condition for Mitchell a year later.

Believe it or not, the Iggy that got KO'd by Mitchell, probably would have decisioned Mormeck by wide margin or KO'd Mormeck late. Strange as it seems.

Incidentally, Mormeck is DEFINITELY NOT a top notch puncher. His shots snapped Iggy's head back, but did not reall damage. Mormeck probably doesn't hit half as hard as Mitchell or the prime Brewster.

Even Vlad's vulnerable chin is more than enough to stand up to Mormeck's shots (which will never reach Vlad's chin anyway).

 

Problem is, you didn't give the fight a close reading. You missed out on many details.

What's fascinating now, is that many writers are claiming Maddalone actually landed lots of crude, half smothered shots on Mormeck at close range in their fight, and that Vinnie should have won. This is very interesting. It just goes to prove that you have to look closely to understand what the hell is happening in sloppy fights like Iggy-Mormeck and Maddalone-Mormeck.

 

Afterthought: I noticed that in the Maddalone fight, Mormeck keeps doing that same "wrap his arms around his opponents arms and elbows," which is essentially a clinch that forces the opponent into a counter-wrestling move. Naive fans, in these cases, can't tell who is really clinching. But it was really Mormeck hanging on.

 

Good breakdown, as usual.

BUT............... Some people score a ROUND based on activity and even though we have the benefit of replay, hindsight, etc, the judges don't. When they see a 5 punch flurry, consistently, they start looking at that fighters power shots as clean and effective. Yeah, Tiggy may not have been hurt (Mitchell didn't even drop him), but JMM did land some crisp stunning type shots. Hard enough to push him back and cover up.

I've tried to see this one your way, trust me. But I disagree with 1-4 for Tig. I could give him 2,3 but 1,4 were close enough to go to Mormeck. And he essentially took over from 6-9. Also, 11,12 were close enough for me to lean towards JMM as well. Maybe 10, 12, but point being it was a sloppy fight, hard to score, but Mormeck did more than enough to win 6 rounds. And there were 2 others that could've gone either way.

I don't buy the heel injury either. Yeah he had more pep in his step in 1-3, but who doesn't. He looked pretty charged in 10-12. I don't know 100% why he didn't throw more than 20 PPR from 5-9, but he sure fired em up in 10-12. :rofl I think because he knew he was so far down on the cards.:think

 

You're obviously bias Ken.

He tore his achilles tendon in the 6th? You do understamd it would ne PHYSICALLY impossible for Him to stand let a lot box.

 

whether or not jean marc looked good or deserved the win is a secondary issue to how he got a title shot off of this and a close one over fres....but oh well at least it'll b over soon

 

I know far, far more than you. I watched the fight with one of Ibragimov's former trainers, someone who knows Iggy's history of injuries. That guy knew that the achilles tendon had been flaring off and on for months, but that it seemed okay in the weeks leading to the fight.

If the fifth or sixth, Ibragimov didn't suffer an actual tear of the tendon, but he suffered some aggravation of the earlier injury that caused him to drag one of his legs, and to lean excessively on the other. This was pointed out to me by the former trainer.

Trust me, I have inside info about this fight. Lots of it.

 

I hang out in Miami, where Ibragimov usually trains, and am acquainted with the people around him. I have inside information about the achilles heel problem. It was known before the fight.

I know from inside sources that Iggy went to Paris knowing that any close fight -- and even a somewhat close fight in his favor-- was doomed to go to Mormeck, French judges being what they were. Iggys original plan was to jab, box, clinch, and move. The ref and the heel made this impossible. The only option left was to rough it out at close quarters, digging the rights to the body.

I totally disagree with your scoring of the rounds, having studied the fight in slow motion. Curiously, where did you hear that Iggy only threw 20 punches per round in the middle of the fight? No punchstats have been published yet.

As for the judges who favored Mormeck, I know they were hand picked by the promoter.

 

Iggy danced a full 12 rounds against Oliver McCall, so why couldn't he have done the same against Mormeck? The answer is the heel injury. As a matter of fact, Iggy was out of training for 2 months following the Mormeck fight because of the heel. Trust me.

About Iggy being fired up in 10 through 12, you forgot to mention that he was still flat footed in those rounds. That's more evidence of a heel problem.

I know the people in Iggy's camp. They don't believe that he was behind on points going into the latter rounds. However they were all worried because they knew that even if Iggy won close, the European judges were certain to give the fight to Mormeck.

Have you studied the fight in slow motion (1/4 speed) taking the time to note which punches actually land and which are blocked or miss by a narrow margin? That's what I did to confirm my original scoring. I still had Iggy on top.

Nothing personal, and I agree you know your boxing, but I think you were overimpressed by Mormeck's occasional big, flashy punches. Those punches stuck out in your mind more than the more numerous but less noticeable shots Iggy landed to the body in 10, 11, 12.

 

In this case, what you have just described, are incompetent judges. They are sitting at the ring apron. They are supposed to be the first to know if a punch lands cleanly or is picking off on the arms.

 

How could the French Tyson struggle with Ibragimov!?

 

You watched the fight with Iggy's trainer...NO **** he guided your viewing to "show" you that Ibragimov won. You think he point out how he lost? And again no way the tendon was torn it's humanly impossible the way we are built to be able to stand or walk without it. Injured maybe.

That said you are BIAS and have now admitted that to everyone here. Yes people score fights different, it was a close fight, Mormeck won. Accept it.