Why was Roy Jones Jr. never an Boxing Super Star?

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  1. HellSpawn86

    HellSpawn86 "My heart goes out to you!" Full Member

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    RJJ was on the cusp, but he didn't make it because he wasn't in any exciting fights in his prime and more importantly, no names.

    May and Pac only became superstars after DLH. They've maintained because they are actually good though. May and Pac couldn't attract flies to their fights before hand. You could argue their primes and exciting fights took place before DLH. DLH was a superstar because he won the Olympics and beat names like Chavez and Whitaker, plus he was exciting.

    Basically you don't get super stardom unless to win against other popular fighters and unfortunately for RJJ there were none around his division.
     
  2. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Prior to the Ruiz fight, Jones was very well respected as a boxer but he simply was not a draw. His PPV's were struggling to get 100,000 buys and HBO were losing money of every fight.

    He left the most competitive division in boxing by jumping from super middle to light heavy. He chose to fight an old McCallum, Griffin, Hill, De Valle instead of Benn, Collins, Eubank, McClellan.

    He made some terrible career choices, took too little risk in the ring and always was the business man and promoter first and great boxer second. The fans want fighters who strive for greatness to make the big fights and perform like a true champion when required.

    Jones had all the talent but not the drive or personality or promotional team to cross over.
     
  3. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Roy was too black and too gangsta to be a real crossover star. Kind of aloof and not all that friendly.
     
  4. Machine

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    He was. People were in awe of him. It was his competition that sucked.
     
  5. Chempasillo

    Chempasillo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    oscar made floyd a superstar, just like oscar made pac an superstar.

    look, floyd was acting flashy jewelry, cars, talking trash before the oscar fight, remember how he used to trash talk gatti and said he would whup him infront of his fans. but still floyd was a boxing star, but no superstar!!!

    the build up of one of the biggest match ups ever vs oscar (who was the only boxing superstar around at that time) and the fight itself, with a lot of celebritys watching, a lot of hype around and all the bravado around made floyd the superstar.

    same for pacquiao, pacquiao was always himself and he never was a superstar until he fought and beat convincingly oscar.

    you know why? because the poster boy, ladys man, ppv giant oscar de la hoya brought the big puplic, he was an household name. guys liked him to watch since the chavez fights and girls, because when oscar was younger he was damn good looking and he talked well.

    the big public saw floyd and decided to watch him, because floyd brought controversary, also his fights were boring.

    the big public saw pacquiao and decided that he was fun to watch, he brought tyson like excitemant.

    thats it. no elerbe, no haymon, no anybody good have done that, it was oscar!
     
  6. Chempasillo

    Chempasillo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    roy had superstar, even worldstar talent, but he was no superstar, fact is his ppv numbers werent that big and around him wasnt that big of a hype like nowadays pac or may.
     
  7. Chempasillo

    Chempasillo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I dont believe that. oscar was an superstar when there was still tyson & holyfield around making big ppv numbers.
     
  8. Chempasillo

    Chempasillo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    bull****, back in the days sugar ray robinson got paid mayor money, sugar owned an entire street with restaurant and what not.

    quality is quality and when a boxer has it he can become an superstar, no matter if there is an big heavyweight boxer around. oscar, sugar ray leonard, prince hamed etc. they all made big ppv and big money.
     
  9. Chempasillo

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    no its not that. tyson was also gangsta at the end of his career and for every fight even the most stupid vs brian nielson there was hype around.

    at the end, it was him just not fighting liek a true warrior and finish like a puncher and him not fighting anybody, even going down in weight or catch weight an prime calzaghe or hopkins (who everybody talked about after trinidad bout). he just dont took his chances to become an mayor name.
     
  10. Player3

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    1. Sugar Ray Leonard was NEVER on PPV (PPV was barely in existance during his era)

    2. Roy was a household name in the U.S. on par with some of the biggest athletes in any major U.S. sport during the 90's-early 2000's.

    3. There were no "name" opponents in or around his weight class during the height of his run that could've gotten him a PPV fight.

    4. If you look at any of the other PPV stars, it took a "passing of the torch" type of fight with another well known, well established star in the sport for them to become a major PPV attraction.

    Also, Roy's 1st PPV fight with Ruiz did pretty decent numbers, considering the reputation of his opponent, and netted him around 25 Million dollars.

    And the type of ratings he used to regularly bring in on regular HBO has yet to be matched by any fighter since he fell off.
     
  11. Chempasillo

    Chempasillo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    1. sugar was in the commercials, was well mroe known than roy.

    2. household name by hip hoper and die hard boxing fans yes, superstar no.

    3. calzaghe, eubank, benn were no superstars either, but good names, also hopkins. damn, roy was that good, he shouldve faced holyfield & tyson after he won easy vs ruiz!!!
     
  12. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Hard to be a Superstar when you refuse to make big fights and handpick so many fights. Look at the Ruiz fight it was like a sparring session. Boring. Jones in several rounds landed fewer than 10 punches.

    Some of Jones PPV's early in his HBO career only sold 90k buys. That is awful.

    He was more of a showman than a fighter. He wasn't interested in fighting the best out there and we know why it is because he was harboring a Glass Jaw.
     
  13. HoldMyBeer

    HoldMyBeer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    well said.

    jones and hopkins were great fighters in poor divisions and neither hit PPV gold.

    hopkins only really got on PPV when he destroyed tito and dismantled oscar.
     
  14. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    That wasn't Roy's first PPV fight and it sold 600k PPV buys Roy didn't make 25 million not sure where you are getting that number from (you probably just made it up) it would have to sold almost triple that for Jones to make 25 mil. His other successful PPV was against Trinidad and Jones got stiffed by Don King for the majority of the purse for that fight.

    You have no clue what you are talking about.
     
  15. Imperial1

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    How do you call James Toney a no name ?