How Many Losess Make A Fighter Shot?

There isn't a measurement for being "shot"..
You will see fighters decline (getting slower, less powerful, less confident etc) over the course of their career, useually through natural aging, injuries and losses..
The word "shot" gets thrown around alot, and is sometimes imo mistaken for "past prime"..
Shot: is when you're simply unable to compete on the level you used to..

 

Except for the young, tough, hungry lion who fought Slappy Joe. That was the only prime Hopkins ever.

 

On the East side boxing forum (ESB) a fighter must lose a minimum of once to be classified as shot, failure to do so means a fighter is an overprotected hypejob.

 

It depends on who he losses to and how he losses

 

It depends on punishment he got in those fights. Ask Hamed fans he became shot without losing, immediately when MAB schooled him he was shot for years

 

Actually, contrary to others' opinions, I'd say that most boxers are "only temporarily shot"... They become prime again (or close to that) if convenient for some posters...

They are prime in the beginning, then past their prime, then shot, then just past their prime again, then shot again... and if they come back from retirement and fight their favourite boxers, then they become close to shot, but not totallly shot...:yep

Barrera has been prime and shot and past his prime, and shot again several times... same as Erik Morales, Shane Mosley, Oscar De La Hoya just to mention a few...

In other words boxers are still prime, or past their prime, or shot depending on who you ask..

Being shot at ESB is like being Drained... a discussion that will never end.

 

As long as you have the label "crafty veteran" you can lose all the time, or get knocked down in most of your big fights. How a fighter like Cotto is considered old news yet JMM is number two or three on most people's P4P rankings? I'm not trying to diss anyone, I'm just as confused as the TS, why something is OK for fighter A but not Ok for fighter B?

 

There is no number. It all depends on how the fighter looks and fares vs. guys he typically would beat or be able to compete with. but in a nutshell, it's all on how the guy looks.

Right now, Shane Mosley is a guy most popint to as being shot. Personally, I tend to agree. But he's lost to two of the best, and has been inconsitent more then anything the past decade. If he got blitzed by canelo, that will certainly add to that fact. But most also know he's not a JrMW. If he fought someone like Matthew Hatton at 147, and lost, then I'd say stick a fork in him. Shane's a gatekeeper now, next step is journeyman and shot.

 

I think it depends more on how they lost, and how they look afterwards fighting other fighters. Basically there is no specific amount.

 

This, and how you look after the loss..

Compare how Glenn Johnson fights and his punch resistance/timing/etc from a few years ago to now...

Then look at how Hatton fought, and his punch resistance/etc after his first until his last..

 

For some idiots, all you gotta do is get knocked down and yer labeled "shot."

You gotta look at the wear and tear on the fighter, his recent performance(s), and the level of opposition those performances were turned in against.

Lets use your examples to analyze the term "shot." All you really gotta do us look at their last fight and consider some other factors.

Zab Judah is 35 years old and his last fight was Amir Khan. Judah looked horrible and ended the fight flopping around on the canvas looking for a way out.

Glenn Johnson is 43 years old and his last fight was Lucian Bute. Glenn ended the fight on his feet looking no worse for the wear.

Now, for argument's sake, let's call the skill level of Khan and Bute equal (debate that **** in another thread if you really must).

You also need to consider the heart and mental toughness of Judah, while also considering the durability of Johnson.

When I sit down and really think about it... both these guys are way past their prime, but would be great tests for up and coming stars in the making (like Khan and Bute!).

The word "shot" I would reserve for guys like Fernando Vargas, William Joppy, Johnny Tapia, Hector Camacho Jr.... Doesn't matter how old they are, they just don't have what it takes anymore to fight competitively unless they are matched with taxi drivers and grocery baggers.

 

But sometimes they don't even lose, and some people still saying that they are past their prime big time... some actually start asking if they are shot....

Let me give you an example of this: JMM and Pac...

 

Could not have been said better. :deal

 

as someone mentioned, it's the nature of your losses or performances. not everyone has the same shelf life and not every declines at the same rate.

 

Riddick Bowe had just one loss going into the Golota fights and was 2x years young but was already shot to ****.