Douchebella: Ward, Bute too big. That's like Martinez vs. Klitschko

He's right.

 

According to DiBella, Martinez is like prime Roy Jones and is a Mayweather level fighter. Roy Jones was a solid sized LHW and actually had to put on weight to fight at HW. Mayweather walks around at 150 lbs. and is taking on the top fighter at 154. If Martienz is on their level, why can't he fight at 168 lbs.? His normal weight is about 170-175 lbs.

 

Ward and bute should focus more on the fights they arnt taking, like fighting eachother and not worry about what a mw is doing. Martinez has plenty more oposition at mw or lmw, floyd, chavez just to start with, so why go and face bute or ward? Ward really needs to clear out his own division first, cant believe no one else sees that. Same with bute.

 

Martinez hasn't cleaned out his division, yet he's looking at guys 1 and 2 weight classes below him. All these fighters are the same. They're all looking for the biggest payday out there. Sometimes that comes from your division, sometimes above your division, sometimes below your division.

 

Mixed in with the hyperbole are some good points.

Martinez IS a natural 154 pounder. He really WAS the same size or a bit smaller than career biggish welterweight Kermit Cintron, who at a stretch can be called a medium-sized light middleweight. He happens to be successful against big middleweights because he's a good tough fighter with an excellent gas tank and solid beard, and because of his slippery style.

SMW would be pushing it.

Lou is absolutely in the right here. It's ridiculous to expect Martinez to keep spotting guys' weight until he gets KTFO.

Let's say he moves up and beats Ward AND Bute. How much do you want to bet that people on ESB immediately call for him to move up to LHW and stop ducking Cloud and Pascal? :roll:

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your sayin that ward vs bute is a smaller payday for both fighters than either the two facing martinez? atsch

I agree with what your saying that fighters are after the big pay days, so martinez is right to go after floyd as apposed to ward or bute.

Bute-ward at 168
martinez-floyd at 154
those right now are the big money fights and that make most buisness sense

 

The consensus, that Martinez could make 154 relatively easily should be enough to negate the notion of him fighting at 168. Dibella overestimating his fighters overall prowess transforms the unacceptable notion of a fight at 168 into a viable option. Less hyperbole = more common sense.

 

I didn't say that at all. However, Ward is still currently without an opponent, and Bute has a fight in May. There is no rule stating that Ward can't fight Martinez in the spring/summer, and then Bute in the winter. Martinez is clearly one of the most lucritive options out there for Ward.

It's really not a matter of right or wrong, it just is what it is. What Martinez and his fans need to realize though, is that the same reason Martinez has no interest in Pirog, or Bute, or Ward, is the same reason that Pacquiao, Cotto, and Mayweather might not have an interest in fighting him. I'm not sure how anyone could defend Martinez dismissing certain guys and then criticize others for dismissing him. There is hope for Martinez though. Someone mentioned to Mayweather that Martinez wanted to fight him at 150, and Mayweather said he would be up for it. Mayweather also expressed interest in fighting him during the post fight press con of the Mosley fight.

That's the problem for Martinez. Martinez might be the third biggest fight for Mayweather behind Pacquiao, and Alvarez(this is all assuming Mayweather can beat Cotto).

 

If Sergio walked around at 154 during fight week and has to eat steaks and potatoes to make 157 then he should be able to easily make 149 to fight PAC or Floyd at a cw.

 

To quote DiBella, **** THAT.

He isn't a welterweight, and he isn't a super middleweight.

He's ideally a light middleweight, who can function at middleweight.

That is his effective range: 154 to 160.

"Oh, but Pacquiao and Jones and DLH and Mayweather and even Glen Johnson and all these other people were able to jump up and down, division after division after division - why can't Martinez?? :|:|"

Because he can't, OK? Good for people who can. Rah rah. Whatever. It's a rare thing that some people are able to do. It doesn't necessarily make them better fighters than people who can't (although you can certainly cite it as a positive on the resume of the individuals who can do so successfully). Nobody should be expected to, just because a few have done it in the past.

Some people just have shorter ranges of effectiveness when it comes to the effect of different fighting weights on their bodies. Hell, some people are only ever able to be effective in ONE weight division throughout their entire career.

Martinez is a lmw/mw. That's it. Not a 168lber, not a 147lber, and not a ****ing 149lber (whatever the **** THAT is)

 

Why is everyone so afraid of Bute?

Froch is gonna give Bute a boxing lesson

They claim Bute has such great punching power and great speed but why didnt Bute go in the super 6 then? I'll believe it when I see it. He has not fought as good of opposition as Froch,so Carl should have an advatage.

 

It isn't about Bute. It's about big strong super middles. Martinez should stay away from them, and has nothing to prove against them contrary to what some ignorant fans (spoiled by weight-jumpers and catchweights) think.

DiBella would probably say Martinez should stay the hell away from Froch, too. He'd be right. Sarmiento and even Martinez himself would probably agree.

 

Very good post IB, completely agree, can't believe people are actually expecting him to fight big SMWs like Bute and Dirrell, even Ward is far too big.