Froch says he has a better legacy then cazaghe

Do you see the difference between what you said above, and what you claimed earlier.

Froch wont posses much of a problem so you agree Froch can be a problem

If you just admitted your mistake you would have been made to look the fool

Anyway, it aint over you still make alot of stupid claims

 

What mistake? You're trying too hard. Boxing is subjective, it's about opinions, you cannot seem to grasp this.

 

Boxing is subjective, but if someone says to me.

Tyson would beat Vitali

I would agree, I would think that is reasonably correct.

But then he says, Vitali wont have his moments. I would think that is bull****.

And before you come in and say I am comparing Tyson vs Vitali to Froch vs Calzaghe, matter of fact, come in and say that so i can school you on that aswell
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You said Calzaghe would beat Froch. I agreed.

You said Froch wont have his moments. I though that was bull****, and schooled you on the topic, using facts, theories, concepts and opinions.

I bought in logic, style match ups.

And all you go on about is.

Calzaghe has lateral movement. He had flurries, he had this he had that.

and at the end of the day, you just admitted, Froch will have his moments. So why you acting like you was right all along. Some serious **** came out of your mouth earlier on, that 12 rolls of toilet tissue cant clear up, and I had to sort things out. So dont hate on me for giving you lessons, you should be thankful because in the future, you wont ever say.

Calzaghe would beat Froch because Ward beat Froch.

Because now you know styles make fights.

 

Kell Brook > Pacqiuao

I dont need to school you on that know do I?

 

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Right, as has been stated before, I made my points, and backed them up with my own opinions, you've stated your opinions, which aren't facts, they're your opinions. I wouldn't have a problem with it, if you didn't keep throwing the words 'schooled and pwned' onto the end of everything. Now, unless you want me to go back and repeat everything I've already stated in this thread, is there anything else?

Furthermore, for someone who dislikes Calzaghe, why do you spend so much time posting about him?

 

I dont dislike Calzaghe, I made three video tributes on him.

I have watch pretty much all his fights, he was an exciting fighter to watch, he would always like to engage and please the crowd and wouldnt mind a tare up.

That is why I think Froch would fancy his chances more against Calzaghe than Ward, because Calzaghe was always up for a tare up, Ward aint too keen on a tare up and is safety first type of fighter.

When Froch vs Ward was midrange, Froch he landed decent punches here and there, but was outclassed for the majority of the fight, because the majority of the fight was either an inside boxing match or Ward keeping his distance.

Calzaghe vs Froch would have a major time period where both fighters are at mid range, and since both fighters like to 'fight', Froch would fancy his chances and would be getting Calzaghe's respect, giving Froch his moments.

I think Froch is a better fighter than anyone on Calzaghe's resume, bar, BHop and Kessler. Richie Woodhall won about 3 rounds on my scorecard, Robin Reid won about 6 rounds on my scorecard, So I think Froch has more to his game than Woodhall and Reid so would be able to win 3 - 5 rounds minimum, so Froch will have his moments, also adding to the equation Froch's right hand, jab, conditioning, heart, chin, Froch would be difficult for anyone other than a master boxer.

 

Froch has a long way to go before he can make a claim like this...I like Froch's tenacity, but he's really delusional if he thinks he has surpassed Joe.

 

Ahh right, are they on Youtube? What's your username?

I thought that because of you bringing up coke-sniffing and strictly come dancing

Ward did very well to contain the fight to mainly being on the outside, and on the inside where it very much suited him. A very accomplished performance, I was really impressed watching Ward that night. I also thought that Froch had a horrible night himself, he was outmatched, but even still I don't think he gave a great account of himself. He was really impressive against Abraham, and showed a great variety in his attack, but didn't bring this to the fight against Ward, maybe he had an off night, maybe it was because he was well contained by Ward.

As for Froch-Calzaghe, I see what you're saying, and I'm not saying you're wrong. In my opinion, I think Calzaghe's style is very awkward, combined with his use of upper body movement, and lateral movement, I couldn't see Froch having great success against Joe. As you pointed out, the fight with Salem showed, anything can happen on any given night, however I personally feel that if Joe is at his best, he won't get caught and dropped by such a shot.

As for the debate about Hopkins, Bernard Hopkins is a true ATG, as I already stated. I was making the point about his record, to show that you can do this to any fighter as people have with Calzaghe, Mayweather, Pacquaio and others, it's a retort when people criticise the record of a fighter I like.

 

I like it. It's the nicest thing anyone has said about me since Timagen built me up and tore me down.

 

Okay, I'll go back and edit the post

 

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Calzaghe the ko specialist is a three part video series you can check it out on youtube.


Btw calzaghe never had good lateral movement, calzaghe never used to win fights or control fights with lateral movement. Lateral movent can be used defensively when a fighter is taking away a weapon of his oppinent, or be used offensively by making an opening to land a shot.

A good example of lateral movement used in attack was when hopkins floored calzaghe, bhop moved tohis right so calzaghes guard became more square giving bhop an opening to land a lead right hand. Calzaghe never won fights like this he used to spply pressure to outwork his opponent


I think you can tell I xan go on about anything calzaghe related whether its hyporhetical match ups, his resume or his opponents, so that is why I challenged u to step into the esb square circle earlier with regards to bhop calzaghe.

Ward was stylistically a nightmate for fighters like froc and kessler while aa likes to fight at mid range so aa suited froch this is all hindsight anyway.

Ward made froch look like ****, but when you watch froch vs pascal, brian magee kessler you can see froch is very tough to deal with at midrange, I think as long as froch is given room to throw and land, froch would have his moments with anyone in the smw histoey because his chin and conditioning makes him too hard to keep him off. The ward fight just made him look below average so now people want to degrade him and they forget wards style can make any midrange fighter look ordainary

 

Calzaghe the KO specialist? Yeah I have seen those

You're right in regards to when Hopkins floored Calzaghe,the subtle movement and timing makes it one of those shots you have to see in slow motion time and time again to really appreciate.

If you watch the video I showed you of the Lacy fight, you see Calzaghe attacking in flurries (or pitter patter slaps what you want to call it), and spinning off, confusing his opponent, and allowing him to set up his next offence. He used this often, to great effect, even against RJJ, I regard that as lateral movement. As you've seen a lot of Calzaghe fights, I'm sure you see where I'm coming from.

Bar the headbutts, Wards' performances against Kessler and Froch were excellent. He fought the perfect fight, shutting down his opponents offence and setting his own up, if he had better power I could see him being an excellent LHW, even without the power I still think he can be a great LHW, and win titles there no problem.

A lot of what Calzaghe did was subtle as well, whilst he would attack Froch at mid-range, he used awkward angles, he judged distance well and would attack in flurries, I couldn't see it being a brawl like the latter rounds against Kessler (that was a great fight!). I just don't think Calzaghe is a good stylistic match up for Froch either.

How would you see a fight between Ward and Calzaghe play out? Would Ward be able to frustrate, and spoil his way to a decision? Or would Calzaghe's high volume offence overwhelm Ward? Can Ward fight at that pace for 12 rounds?

 

....and lost. Jc could have fought tougher opposition but Froch can't hold Jc's jockstrap. He was badly exposed by Ward, got beaten by Kessler and a gift decision against Dirrel. Withoit doubt jc beats Kessler and Dirrel, and most probably Ward, if not, a very close fight.

 

Spinning off aint considered lateral movement.

lateral movement is used to either nullify a weapon of your opponent. Or set up an opening to land a shot.

Bernard Hopkins IMO is one of the greatest at this in modern times, and since he can no longer use his physical advantages, he has to use these suttle moves to make himself work.

Bernard Hopkins was circling Pavlik to the left, that way he nullified Pavlik's dangerous right hand. Pavlik was not able to land a right hand because BHop used lateral movement.

Hopkins used lateral movement to creat opening in Calzaghe's guard to land a lead right hand, thats good lateral movment.

Calzaghe was beating Lacy using control of distance, he would land flurries and before Lacy had the opportunity to attack, Calzaghe would either move out of range, or close in so Lacy dont have the room to tee off.

I see where you are coming from, Calzaghe can employ what he did with Lacy on Froch, but Froch would still have his moments.

If Calzaghe attacks Froch at mid range, Froch will have his moments regardless. You have to accept that.

Regardless off:

Kessler was able to brawl with Calzaghe, because Calzaghe took time to find a distance to adapt to so he could land counter.

Ward would **** Calzaghe up. Thats a different issue. We can get into that.

Ward something like 116 - 112.

 

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