RJJ isn't HOF material

knockout artist: I already said Jones will make the Hall of Fame, I criticised him and outlined why he isn't an ATG for me, go and re-read my original post, and tell me where I'm wrong? You know I'm not, which is why you've had to bring up Joe Calzaghe. If you want padded records, look no further than Roy Jones, how many times did he 'have to fight his mandatory', how many of the names (like Mccallum, Hill) were well past it and Hopkins was green, Toney was weight drained. Joe beat the man in two divisions, Roy never did. Calzaghe had courage, a chin and could fight through adversity. Roy messed his fans around by refusing to make some of the biggest fights of the 90's, and was caught with anabolic steroids in his system the first time he was tested.

Ok, do you feel better now? Did you get your OPINIONS all out? That's what is funny about these threads. Everyone has an OPINION. How do you actually quantify RJJ's record being padded vs Calslappy's? It's all OPINION friend. I could say you're a delusional nuthugging Calslappy fanboy. That would be an OPINION of course and in no way would that make me right. Like I said if Calslappy is your homeboy, terrific! If bringing him up upsets you, sorry about that. Have a nice day!!!

 

It's all good though.

 

What are you on about? Are you now trying to take the moral high ground? You had no counter to the points I made, so you started bringing up Joe Calzaghe, like a classic fanboy. I gave my views on RJJ, you bring up Calzaghe, I outlined Calzaghe's credentials, you have nothing to offer, so stop posting.

 

Ok, first of all bringing up Calslappy obviously touched a nerve. Once again, I'm sorry for that!

Secondly, there is no moral high ground to take pal. I said if Calslappy, er Calzaghe is going to the HOF, then so should RJJ. Then in typical butt hurt fashion I guess you felt the need to defend Calslappy's, damn it, Joe's honor and start bombarding me with your OPINIONS, not to be confused with those silly facts.

Lastly, since when do I have to counter your OPINIONS or defend my own. Personally I think Calslappy, uggh,, Joe C was a fraud with a fancy perfect record, who fought nobody of note, save a couple of aging American fighters about 10 years too late.

 

Hopkins is in a win-win situation. Every time he wins, he is great. Every time someone beats him, they just defeated an old man

Of course it is good to beat him though.

Calzaghes victory looks better day by day. Being succesfull with his style up to and including age 36 was pretty damm good.

Just like Martinez is amazing for a 37 year old with an athletic style.

 

This is the only valid argument for RJJ not being a hall of famer

 

Forza is #1 Troll P$P

 

:good

 

Obviously pointing out that RJJ is an overrated steroids riddled disgrace touched a nerve with you. I didn't bombard you with opinions, I bombarded you with facts, that you could not refute, hence why you've resorted to this rubbish.

If you read my comments, I stated that RJJ will go to the Hall of Fame, without shadow of a doubt. I stated that I don't believe him to be an ATG, that was my opinion. When you brought Calzaghe into it, I provided you with facts, and you had no response. Look at the run Hopkins was on, and went on, before and after fighting Calzaghe. When Roy fought Hopkins, he hadn't achieved anything, and needed another 2 attempts to win a world title. He beat a severely drained James Toney, and those were two of the worst fights ever! He fought no-one else of note who wasn't well past their best, that's not even mentioning the steroid abuse.

Joe beat Hopkins, when Hopkins was on his best run, recording his best wins. Shot and blown up beyond his prime weight, he obliterated RJJ in a fight that many thought Roy Jones would win, as Joe had no power and had to box Roy. He beat Chris Eubank to win his first title, and cleared out the division beating an undefeated Lacy, and prime undefeated Kessler. He beat the man in two weight divisions, Roy never beat the man in any division. I'm finding this fun, we can keep going all day

 

Joe beat Eubank who was literally at the end of his career with over 50 fights and with the loss to SUPER Joe he finished his career losing 4 out of his last 6... AMAZING win Joe

Joe beat Hopkins when the man was 43 years old and gave him his 3rd loss in 5 fights.... wow once again AMAZING

Joe beats Roy in Roys 56th fight and after he lost 3 of his last 6 and was 40 years old. do we see a pattern here of beating guys that were completely past their primes ?? :rofl

Joe did beat a prime Kessler and prime Lacy, both undefeated champions :good

Jones jumps to heavyweight and wins a title from a heavyweight title holder

Joe jumps from 168 to 175 and beats a 43 year old guy that was a career 160 pounder

Jones beating a former champion in Hill by crushing KO is better than any **** WBO title fight joe had vs tocker ****ing pudwill and Mger Mkrtchyan, Miguel Angel Jimenez , Rick Thornberry, David Starie NO HOPERS, NEVER WAS

Somehow Toney was "weight drained" even though he just moved up to super middleweight and roy was coming up to super middle.
Hopkins was "too green"
i mean seriously, you down play everything the man did while giving credit for beyond **** wins....theres an art to it and you are very good at changing history and distorting facts.... so congrats SUPER FAN BOY on being a SUPER DUMB ASS

 

Ok, so to answer my question, I guess you do feel better now right? Got it all out yet, or do you wanna continue with a conversation I ended hours ago?

No nerve touched here friend, especially since I'm not the one butt hurt because Calsappy's name was brought up on a RJJ thread.

What's funny, besides the fact that you are still talking about this is, you feel the need to talk up Calslappy's resume to a person who really doesn't give a damn. For what? My first guess is that you probably have some sort of erectile dysfunction and Calslappy talk is your Viagra. I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you have a girl coming over soon, but then again you have a picture of a sweaty man as an avatar so maybe I'm giving you too much credit.

You don't have to post Calslappy's autobiography, I still think he's a fraud who hangs his hat on beating two old ass American fighters. I could beat Hopkins and Jones both at this point in their careers, retire 2-0 and would have done as much as Calslappy did his entire career.

Sorry my OPINION of your BFF bothers you so much! Get over your man crush and move on!!!

 

Leading up to the fight with Calzaghe, Eubank lost a very close split decision to Collins, and then was coming off two wins to face Joe. Afterwards, he fought a Carl Thompson and lost a close decision, and was winning the rematch before the fight got stopped on an injury, for another world title! No-one's saying Eubank was prime, but it was a good win.

Joe clearly beat the other two best champions in the division, and cleared out the SMW division.

Ruiz was a slow, feather fisted plodder who was practically tailor made for Jones. He was the worst HW champion in years, it was a (another) paper title at best and Jones avoided fighting the real champion Lennox Lewis, and avoided his mandatory Vitali Klitschko.

You don't think Hopkins has carried the weight well? Coming into the Calzaghe fight, he recorded two of his best wins over Winky Wright, and Antonio Tarver. After the Calzaghe loss, he dominated an undefeated Kelly Pavlik, and went on to win the title from Pascal. No-one has beaten Hopkins at LHW since Calzaghe.

Virgil was way over the Hill by the time Roy fought him, as was Mike Mccallum. The dominating win over Eubank, is better than **** title defence against Glen Kelly, Julio Cesar Gonzalez, Derrick Harmon, Eric Harding, Richard Hall, blown up 135 lb Vinny Pazienza and I could keep on going, 'NO HOPERS, NEVER WAS.'

You want to downplay the issue of abusing anabolic steroids in a brutal sport like boxing, where the effects can be damaging to an opponents long term health. I've provided facts to support my claims, you haven't, you're clearly just a Roy Jones fanboy, who cannot accept that you're hero abused steroids throughout his career to gain an unfair advantage, and when he had to compete as a clean fighter, he got exposed.

You think Hopkins wasn't green when he fought Roy? What had he achieved at that point? In his next attempt at winning a world title he drew with 18-2 Segundo Mercado!

Look up the details leading up to the James Toney-RJJ fight, Toney had to lose over 30 pounds to make weight, he was severely drained, and what had Toney ever accomplished at 168??

You could beat a World Champion? Who went on to win the world title and become the number 1 man at LHW again? What are you doing on ESB?? You should be out there cementing your legacy and earning millions atsch

 

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:deal

Good posting.

 

What does Toney's lack of discipline and professionalism have to do with Roy? The last time I checked Toney was a pro fighter. If he failed to get in shape, that's on him. I'm sure nobody here would show up to a job interview at a Fortune 500 company wearing a raggedy t-shirt and Jesus sandals. Of course not, because you would know what is expected of a professional. Not getting hired wouldn't be the company's fault...