All Floyd fans think that Pac-Hatton is a better win than Floyd-Hatton...

I'm with you on that, my man. It makes me cringe some of the stuff people will come out with in regards to the Hatton win for May.

 

hmm, maybe shot was an overstatement, but certainly past his best. He looked horrible in that fight, partly due to Pacquiao's brilliance, partly due to Ricky's own mental problems.

In England, there was optimism over Ricky's chances against Floyd. When the Pac fight came around, most knew he was gonna get battered. I know you can find other views online, but it was only 3 years ago, I clearly remember speaking to people about it, and we knew Ricky was in for it. It was no surprise for me when I woke up the next morning, went online and found that Ricky had gotten KO'd in 2 rounds.

For 5-6 rounds of the Mayweather fight, Hatton looked really good. He had fast feet, was using angles well and looked sharp, he was also willing to take shots to get inside and work. Especially in round 5, he won that on everyone's scorecard.

I don't he physically could have gone on too much longer anyway, the years of abusing his body had caught up with him. Hatton had no chin after Mayweather, as shown against Luzcano.

 

Meaningless. Because in England, the majority of us are a deluded/ignorant bunch. Here's Hatton with an undefeated record, and we lapped it up and assumed it would stay that way. The few who knew what they were looking at, however, gave him very little chance. Mayweather was the easy favourite. And then against Pac, because that invincibility had already gone and we knew he wasn't the god he was once made out to be, we correctly viewed him as the underdog for it.

Wow. He won a round.

Against a patient counterpuncher like Mayweather, he was always going to have brief periods of success due to his aggressiveness. It had very little to do with him being in or out of his prime. Mayweather was alway gonna' take a few rounds to measure him. So yeah, in that space of time, he was allowed to have his little moments. Too bad they meant **** all (then and now).

Again with the over-exaggerations and cherry-picking of information :roll:. Hatton had been knocked down before in his career. His chin had already been exposed at 147 by an average-punching Collazo. The man was hanging on desperately at the end in that. Mayweather was hardly the first person to crack it. What's next, you're gonna' claim Mayweather laid the blueprint to beat him, too?

 

You're accusing me of cherrypicking information, those first 5-6 rounds were very close. Harold Lederman had Hatton up on his card at that point.

It's valid point that we are delusional in England haha Still though, it's true that against Mayweather, there was some optimism, against Pacquaio it was accepted that he was gonna get laid out.

I think the Hatton of 2007, would have lasted longer against Pacquaio, wouldn't have been as reckless and wouldn't have gotten knocked out as brutally as that. Pacquiao still would have knocked him out though. Ricky lost something that night against Floyd (besides his '0'), that he never got back, he wasn't the same Ricky Hatton afterwards.

43-0, before Mayweather, no blueprint existed :deal

To be fair, you have to concede that Hatton really couldn't take a shot well after the Mayweather fight. I remember him taking some of Kosta Tszyu's best shots. He took so many lead rights from Floyd. Collazo was a good boxer, and Ricky certainly had the better of him early on.

Against feather fisted Luzcano, the ref had to bail him out.

 

vs Oscar de la Hoya: Slight edge to Floyd. Obviously Pacquiao beat him far more impressively but Oscar appeared to be finished in that fight. He wasn't prime against Floyd but he still had something left.

vs Hatton: Pacquiao by FAR. Pacquiao annihilated him at his best weight and the one at which he was reigning lineal champion 4 years running.

vs Marquez: Mayweather by FAR. Pac-JMM III proved that Marquez can be plenty effective at WW. Mayweather completely dominated him like nobody else ever has or ever will.

vs Mosley: A tossup really. Mosley landed two good punches on Floyd then got dominated for the remainder of the fight. Manny dominated Shane from start to finish but allowed Mosley to spoil what should've been a much more impressive performance.

 

hmmm... maybe they were both good wins for diffrent reasons

1 was an unbeaten hatton

the other was at his best weight

 

Like I said, based on the styles of the two, it was always likely that Hatton would win some rounds.

No it wasn't. It was accepted that Pacquiao would stop him in the later rounds. Cuts. Noone but Freddie Roach evisaged it would end less than 3. And if you remember correctly, everyone laughed at him for that.

I agree. He would have lasted longer. But he still would have been just as reckless. That's his habit. Before and after his first loss. He loved a tear up.

He didn't lose **** all apart from his durability. He was always an accident waiting to happen. Collazo almost got to him if it wasn't for a gift decision. And if it wasn't Mayweather who was gonna' take that '0', it was gonna' be someone else. He was the same Ricky. Same old careless, no-defence, face-first Ricky. Just not as durable as he once was. And against a wrecking machine like Pac, it was always gonna' be a recipe for disaster.

No, I don't think I do have to concede that. As mentioned, his chin had already been rocked by opponents before Mayweather. So to see it rocked again after, on a night he was suffering from a chest infection and clearly wasn't 100%, isn't really that conclusive.

Perhaps like Billy Graham said, he left the best of him in the ring that night.

Don't mean nothing. He still got exposed and got his chin rocked badly, before Mayweather got to him.

 

Good stuff.

Only slight disagreement would be considering Mosley (#2 WW, #3 P4P) a full fledged better win for Floyd. Pac can have Hatton, no matter how he'd been damaged mentally.

 

Hatton was ****ed before he even got in the ring with Pac, he had completely over done it in camp.. even getting dropped in sparring etc.

 

Silly thread. Who cares.