Overeem is just an obvious cheat, hope the UFC cut him now.

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by horst, Apr 5, 2012.


  1. Wilhelm

    Wilhelm Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think there are some guys who are trying to cheat, and, doing their best, still get busted. Overeem makes TONS of money off of his cheating and if there was a simple way to get around these tests he wouldn't have had to flee the country last time and wouldn't have gotten so totally busted this time. I don't know how many guys cheat and get away with it and NEITHER DO YOU and neither does scula. The only guys who know are the ones who pulled it off. You'd both like to come off like insiders or some ****, but you're just talking. If you think of all the high profile people who have been busted for this **** recently it's a pretty ridiculous claim that it's a simple thing to pass and they're just "unlucky". I don't expect how silly it sounds to stop anyone though; it's way more fun to make like you know all sorts of secret shady ****.
     
  2. Flexb

    Flexb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Of course nobody really knows who's on what. More and more guys are getting caught though and steroids and PEDs are more rampant than ever. It could be only 10% of fighters that are cheating, or it could be 80%. We will never know but I bet close to half are either on something or used within the past year.
     
  3. 1HitterQuitter

    1HitterQuitter RUTHLESS BY LAW Full Member

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    Fuk it I stkll want to see ovaries jds
     
  4. SouthpawSlayer

    SouthpawSlayer Im coming for you Full Member

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    the **** i have seen spouted on sherdog from Reems fan club is some unbelievable ****
     
  5. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Why does that matter? It's just an opinion so why you getting all butt hurt like your opinion is soooo much more objective than everyone else's? Iv been in an around gyms for the last 15 years. Trust me i know a roid head when i see one. The reality is the tests ARE EASY to pass. If you'd been around roid heads for 15 years you'd know that too.
     
  6. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Johnny Benjamin (Doctor) has written extensive articles over the years on this. It's a known FACT that MMA along with many combat sports is rife with hormone abuse. Benjamin see's it all the time.
    If fans are naive enough to think that their hero's with these cartoon physiques, much less for the ones that aren't cartoonish are easily achievable just by hard work, then they're probably the same guys that got pissed when they found out He-Man wasn't real.
    Even some of the stuff over the counter is dam near semi-illegal depending on which commission it goes through.
     
  7. Totus

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    Scurla i know you dont take them but what kind of test is Overeen on you reckon, and what do you think reem would be without-

    He is around 263 ripped.

    Was around 224 for Buentello in nov 2007.
     
  8. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Overeem is a naturally big dude with GREAT genetics. Even when he was down at 205 years ago it was common knowledge he killed himself to make weight. That said he's also naturally quite lithe. So id hazard a good guess he's walking around weight was probably in the 220-230 region, bearing in mind he is a hard gainer hence the quality of the muscle he puts on. Anything around that weight is far more natural for a guy of Overeems build.

    Difficult to say what he's on but iv noticed at my gym that stacks recently have gotten very potent. These aren't your normal deca, dbol, GH stacks. This is some next level Belgian Blue **** iv never seen before. Who knows what Overeem is on. But it's obviously worked very well for him, as his responded excellently to it. As well as built an impossibly cartoonish physique that many BB's would envy.
     
  9. Totus

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    how much size would you lose after being off them, could you go on a course for 3 months then natural the rest of the year.,
     
  10. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Depends on the individual. Once you come off them your muscles will naturally atrophy. If you're a big guy you can easily loose as much as 70-80lbs. Iv seen guys built like Oxen, to look at now and you'd never had guessed they were competing and on boat loads of gear.
    You could go on a course for 3 months but don't expect to make any serious gains when off them. Realistically if all the stars are lined up and your diet and workout is great + injury free you'll only gain realistically 1-2lbs a month of muscle naturally. And even then you'll reach critical mass after at least 4 years in despite being consistent. Plus you would never be able to do any CV. Building muscle is entirely anaerobic. Smacks in the face of any combat discipline where CV is clearly a must.
     
  11. Matt Ldn

    Matt Ldn Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes. I don't know.

    I like reem he comes across well in interviews and that but I hold the same position on all drug cheats. Lifetime ban. There is a difference with diuretics but PEDs should be treated the same way. In combat sports there just isn't room for them, peoples lives are on the line literally and in the sense of their quality of life.
     
  12. liger05

    liger05 puroresu fan 4 life!! Full Member

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    Anyone who thinks peds and testerone treatment isn't rife in mma is crazy!

    regarding weight loss just look at bobby lashley pics from wwe and now. He put on like 70lbs when he went to the wwe.
     
  13. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Any new pics of Lashley?
     
  14. liger05

    liger05 puroresu fan 4 life!! Full Member

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    Sorry I should of said before he went wwe. Wrestled in college @ like 168lbs and was in wwe at what 270lbs at least. No way you put on 100lbs in two years lifting weights.
     
  15. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Ahh man and there was me hoping he'd shrunk. Lashley's been big for years. Yeah he wrestled at 170. But he was huge by the time he came to OVW. Dam near EVERYONE that comes to Pro Wrestling is on gear. Its part of the business.