James Gogue Discusses Pacquiao-Bradley, & Whether JMM's Fightplan Can be Replicated

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  1. Englund

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    The corner can't call a no contest. If there's a cut and Roach waives it off, it would be a TKO win for Bradley. It's going to happen. Arum wouldn't put this much money into a fight, only to cancel it.
     
  2. Doc

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    I'm getting tired of this trend, they were gonna KO, Mosely.,Clottey, margarito, and Marquez... yet they were unable to for all the lame predictions they come out with, once in a blue moon they are right.
     
  3. GOW7

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    The answer is simply no because Manny has had 2 primes. Leg cramps, car accidents, socks or whatever bs excuse that has come out of his mouth isn't going to sway me. If Floyd was fighting Bradley you would see and hear hate being spewed the moment the announcement would be made public. People would already be writing off Bradley caling him another blown up lightweight or some bs. For Floyd Bradley is not a challenge. For Manny, Bradley is a challenge for the so called FOTD. MANNY SHOULD WIN. I'm tired of Manny given the benefit of the doubt not being held to an elite standard. So quite frankly Manny should win. Bradley at this point at best can become a HOF'er. ATG is asking for alot as of right now. Manny's slippage due to age as you word it will not be the reason why Manny will look like **** either. That's an excuse. The main reason why Bradley will make Manny look bad is simply because Bradley doesn't fit the mold of what Manny has success against which is a slower guy with no movement and no "D". Let's keep it 100 is all I ask. Hold Manny to an elite standard queers.
     
  4. Bogotazo

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    Sine you automatically think Manny is going to look bad, and seem to have a lot of hatred towards *******s, just answer my question please. If Manny beats Bradley-a fighter who as you say doesn't fit the stylistically favorable mold of Pac's recent opponents-dominantly, will you be impressed?

    (Also, there's a difference between someone giving you a good fight, and you looking old. Manny hasn't looked quite old yet, but contrasting him against a fighter with the speed and accuracy of Bradley would highlight it's presence.)
     
  5. GOW7

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    Learn how to read and you will see that I answered clear as day your sorry ass question. Number 2. Your exact words were "slippage due to age". Go look at your stupid ass post then re-read mine then get back to me. Number 3. You a bit sensitive over Manny. Anything I said offend you? My main point is hold Manny to an elite standard. People, (especially) *******s are on the fence about when to pump Manny up as you should a true FOTD or when to already make pre-made excuses just like you commenting on his age. KEEP IT 100 percent.
     
  6. Bogotazo

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    :huh I'm not the one sounding all butt-hurt over the suggestion that Manny, like all fighters, may be slipping. I personally don't believe it's true to any highly significant degree, but if it's true, Bradley can reveal it.
     
  7. Bogotazo

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  8. divac

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    The best point that article makes is that fact that Marquez beat Pacquiao with a speical type of mindset only truly great counterpunchers have.
    The ability to counter while in the pocket and willing to take a shot he see's coming in order to position himself to gain leverage and deliver a much more effective shot of his own.

    That type of ability and mindset by Marquez abled him to deliver shots that were hard and accurate and thus forced Pacquiao to have to respect them.

    Bradley is'nt a ballerina or a cutsie in there. Does he have the confidence and mindset to stand facing speed and quickness, to get shots off while in the others punching range.

    To many fight fans look at what Marquez did and see it as easy to duplicate. :lol::lol::lol::nut

    Goodness, it takes more than just plain movement to win a fight against Pacquiao.
    Providing only movement you get what we saw in the Mosley fight.
    Mosley unwilling and uncapable both to walk into punching range and through intelligence and ring savvy, walk Pacquiao into positions that make him vulnerable.

    There are so many other nuances and intracacies that have to come into play to beat Pacquiao.
    Marquez did it through timing, foot placement, parrying so many of Pacquiao's incoming to get Pacquiao's hands out of a defensive position and then countering just off of parrying.
    The ducking and the swiveling of the hips in the eye of the storm and not hesitating for one nanosecond to fire multiple shot combinations with sound leverage behind them.

    The repertoire is vast of what Marquez brings to the dance that very few if any can duplicate the way he can.


    Having said that, Bradley does'nt have to bring every quality and skillset Marquez has to beat Pacquiao. The most important would be to never allow himself to square up to Pacquiao and let him dictate which way (left or right) he wants to go.
    Just circle away from Pacquiao's left, and let your own strenghths dictate and fight off of that.
    The most important thing is not to turn the switch off when Pacquiao comes at you with speed and power.

    So many fighters just turn the switch off and shutdown at the first instance you see a blur of hand movement and taste power, see Shane Mosley.

    As Evander Holyfield once said about being able to handle Tyson's speed and take his power......."I knew going in it was'nt going to easy and it was going to hurt. You condition yourself mentally to take that and fight on."


    The mental part of the fight game. Most fighters have'nt a clue that its just as important if not more so than the physical side of it.

    On saturday night we're going to find out if Bradley has the mental toughness to compete against a quick, fast, and powerful physical specimen!
    Of course it will help if he has the know how to follow along and stick to his gameplan! :D:yep
     
  9. Bogotazo

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    Good post Divac, I agree completely. To many people describe the wide range of skills implemented by Marquez against Manny as "the norm" for any decent fighter; "just box him", they say; "Manny can't handle boxers." They fail to realize that what counts as "just boxing him" for Marquez includes being able to step leftward while throwing, being able to roll with a shot and anticipate a counter slipping both inside and outside, being able to parry without leaving yourself vulnerable, being able to back-step without leaning straight back, being able to time his very fast punches only a few inches away, being able to read his feints and match them with your own, being able to trigger a counter to come back with your own...much easier said than done.

    I don't believe Bradley has the craft or experience, but he has a shot. We'll see what he's made of Saturday night.