117-111, 115-113, 116-112 Pavlik,...who saw the fight and who agrees?

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  1. fcu1

    fcu1 Member Full Member

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    me too
     
  2. Sonny Carson

    Sonny Carson Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The people who said Pavlik outboxed Taylor the whole fight are idiots. If Taylor didn't have such bad stamina he would have won. Taylor isn't even that great of a boxer and he was ahead till he got tired. Pavlik will have trouble against slick boxers, he proved that last night.

    Pavlik won by a round on my card.
     
  3. Lar Janus

    Lar Janus Member Full Member

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    I had it 115-113 Pavlik, though a draw would've been fair, and a JT win slightly shady imo. 117-111 was ludicrous, and even 116-112 a little much (meant that all the close rds were given to KP), as well as giving 6 straight rds to KP. I had it even going into the championship rounds, but Taylor really gassed, and didn't do much (can't see how anyone could've given him either of those rds); in the end, Pavlik's steady pressure won him the fight--he would've been better served going to the body early on, too much head hunting. I also think Pavlik landed the more damaging blows, while JT seemed to try to be stealing some rounds with flashy-looking flurries. Both guys blocked a lot of the other's punches, w/KP's heavier hands getting through more often.

    I didn't agree w/the punch-stats, and I wish they'd stop doing that nonesense--it serves no official purpose, and can be used as ammo by one side or the other. I thought it was about even, w/JT's coming in flurries and lessening over the second half of the fight, while KP just kept up a solid workrate.

    I never like to see a fighter get right back in there w/someone who's just ko'd him, seems like a tune-up type fight to clear out that experience is a prudent step. That said, I thought JT fought a great and determined fight, he seemed to have put that last fight out of his head; he fought about as good a fight against KP as he could, I think the extra weight ended up benefitting JT more than KP (contrary to my pre-fight thinking), but JT's lack of power to keep KP off of him meant that he was backing up all night--a tough way win.

    Pavlik didn't look nearly as dominating as he has, and JT did make him look slow, clumsy, and plodding at times. A bit of a reality check for KP and his fans. Oddly enough, in my book, JT's stock goes up after this loss, while KP's goes down a little.

    I agree w/the sentiment that these two need to go their separate ways after giving us two great fights--JT to 168 and KP back down to 160 for as long as he can make weight.
     
  4. jsimps

    jsimps Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There are a lot of biased folks, who couldn't score a fight to save their lives on this site. Here is my Tale of the Tape:

    KP JT
    Rd1 - 10 9
    Rd2 - 9 10
    Rd3 - 9 10
    Rd4 - 10 9
    Rd5 - 10 9
    Rd6 - 10 9
    Rd7 - 9 10
    Rd8 - 10 9
    Rd9 - 10 9
    Rd10 - 9 10
    Rd11 - 10 9
    Rd12 - 10 9

    116 - 112 Pavlik

    Pavlik was extremely busier and landed more jabs and power shot.
    Taylor fought in spurts. He landed cleanly and effectively when he did throw. He was looking not to get KO'd. He stayed off the ropes which was a huge plus for Jermaine. If this was a 15rd fight, Kelly KO's him.

    Props to JT, he fought well and should pose some threat at SMW.
     
  5. Napuis

    Napuis Straight talkin' mo'fuhha Full Member

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    'Extremely busier'

    - WTF.

    From where I was sat, Taylor landed far more clean shots and effective combinations.

    Most of Pavlik's shots were scuffed and hit Taylor's gloves/defence etc.

    Taylor came against a bigger, harder puncher, landed more clean shots than his opponent and counter punched well. He deserved to win.

    After Cotto and Pavlik's wins against opponents who landed more clean shots and were the busier punchers, Vegas is establishing a precedent that the bigger heavier hitting favourite will win no matter whether he loses a 'boxing match' or not.
     
  6. jsimps

    jsimps Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes, "extremely busier"!!!! Go back and compare how many more punches Pavlik threw versus Jermaine. Busier does not mean that Kelly landed all of them, but without a doubt he was the busier fighter.
     
  7. Lar Janus

    Lar Janus Member Full Member

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    This is where not having 15-round championship fights any more hurts boxing. So many more fights would end decisively, if they still went 15. Hell, add just one extra round, so that the likelihood of draws is lessened!
     
  8. jsimps

    jsimps Boxing Addict Full Member

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  9. safe_pa

    safe_pa Howlin' Mad Full Member

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    117-111 is a ****ing joke!
    I had money on Taylor and wanted him to win, I can admit that Pavlik won the fight but I scored it 115-113. The 11th and 12th won it for Kelly IMO.
    Boxing judges are terrible.
     
  10. Lar Janus

    Lar Janus Member Full Member

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  11. Drexl

    Drexl Your Hero Full Member

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    Which means nothing if the majority of his punches were blocked.

    MMA doesn't worry me - I only really worry for the future of the sport of boxing when I see fans and judges not understanding the absolute basic fundamentals of scoring.

    :verysad
     
  12. Archie_Moore

    Archie_Moore ALL TIME KO KING Full Member

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    Right man got the nod. Thats all that matters.
    I had it 115-113 pavlik after watching the fight again.
     
  13. RICH

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    I Saw The Fight. And Had It 116-112 Pavlik .
     
  14. ronaldomilan

    ronaldomilan New Member Full Member

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  15. jsimps

    jsimps Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Kelly landed more jabs and power shots than Taylor. Plus, he threw a helluva lot more. Busier fighter, landing more punches ='s win, under most circumstances.