adonis stevenson

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  1. john doe

    john doe Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Son of Gaul Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Possibly, but who should be higher?
     
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    john doe Well-Known Member Full Member

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    not quite sure i didnt look that far, lol...i was just looking at his rank and seen he was 6th, and i kind of figured it was a bit high, dont get me wrong im not complaining, i think at his age he really needs to climb the ranks fast, but i just thought 6th was a bit high
     
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    Son of Gaul Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Adonis is up there in age but he's a southpaw with awesome power for a 168er. He's also trained by Steward so we'll hopefully see him a lot in the next 2-3 years. The real problem will be finding top contenders willing to fight him...
     
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    Steward trains superman? no way did not know that!
    AA would beat him, pavlik would beat him, no?
    he's a great boxer, but he hasn't really fought any big names yet, not sure how he got up to 6th.
     
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    It is boxrec computerized ranking. Of course he's too high. He has only faced prospects at best so far but we should see soon what he's worth. He's fighting this Saturday against Noe Gonzalez. Two prospects against each other.

    Nobody will give him a chance so he'll go from his present opponents level to an eliminator fight. That will be a huge step. About Steward, I am doubtful he will transofrm him. Stevenson has tremendous power but his technique is average at best. Steward can improve it a bit but at 33, there is a limit you cannot trespass. I also think the Steward of today is not what he was.
     
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    Strong contender level. Will get his ears boxed off by the first pure boxer he meets in the ring. Seeing how Ward won't fight his WBC mando, maybe we'll get Anthony Dirrell vs Superman for the vacant title late in the year.

    Until then, he be knocking motherfukkers out left right & center. :D
     
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    What a fight that would be. :bbb Dirrell likes a good scrap and Superman is more than willing to oblige. Now that I think about it, I'm not sure that it's worth the risk from Dirrell's perspective.:think
     
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    Well, Anthony has not a so big name that he can avoid a title eliminator but I agree It would be a big risk/low reward fight for him.
     
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    i thought the fight was friday??


    RDS
     
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    Friday. It's on FNF.
     
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    Now we got Steward praising Superman, says he's 1st or 2nd best in the division. And he's serious.

    Says the belt holders won't give him a chance, that they're going for an eliminator.

    He also appreciates Stevenson's endurance in the gym... and says he carries his power late on if you look at the Pryor fight (and immediate, subsequent high jump).


    They're going the WBC route as said by GYM. Anthony Dirrell will probably get a call next week. :D
     
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    freelaw Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Boxrec ratings ain't ****.
     
  14. mark.cooper

    mark.cooper thinker Full Member

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    Not exactly that. Boxrec ratings are an objective system of estimating fighter strengths and are to be taken as a loose indication of how good a boxer is. This is by no means **** but a decent objective system whose results should not be over-interpreted (in particular, the precise order of the fighters in their rankings is most probably "wrong").

    For the discussed boxer, it would be very instructive to consult also other current rankings (champions not ranked in these lists):

    IBF (5.IV.2012):
    1 NOT RATED
    2 Adonis Stevenson Canada
    3 Edwin Rodriguez United States
    4 Arthur Abraham Germany
    5 Carl Froch United Kingdom
    6 Librado Andrade United States
    7 Thomas Oosthuizen South Africa
    8 George Groves United Kingdom
    9 Anthony Dirrell United States
    10 Pablo Farias Argentina
    11 James Degale United Kingdom
    12 Glen Johnson United States
    13 Dyah Davis United States
    14 Andre Dirrell United States
    15 Don George United States


    WBA (March 2012)
    1. BRIAN MAGEE (INT. CHAMP)U.K.
    2. DIMITRI SARTISON KAZ
    3. ARTHUR ABRAHAM GER
    4. ANTHONY DIRREL USA
    5. STANYSLAV KASHTANOV UKR
    6. SERVER YEMURLAYEV UKR
    7. ADONIS STEVENSON (NABA) HAI
    8. EDWIN RODRIGUEZ D.R.
    9. KELLY PAVLIK USA
    10. DYAH DAVID USA
    11. GEORGE GROVES U.K.
    12. NIKOLA SJEKLOCA MON
    13. THOMAS OOSTHUIZEN S.A.
    14. GUSMYR PERDOMO VEN
    15. ALEXANDER BRAND COL


    WBC (April 2012)
    1. Anthony Dirrell (US)
    2. Noe Gonzalez (Uruguay) SILVER
    3. Nikola Sjekloca (Montenegro) INTL
    4. Dyah Davis (US) NABF
    5. Edwin Rodriguez (Dom. R.)
    6. George Groves (GB) COMM/BBB C
    7. Alexander Brand (Colombia) LATINO
    8. James De Gale (GB) EBU
    9. Adonis Stevenson (Haiti/Canada)
    10. Tommy Oosthuizen (South Africa)
    11. Maxim Vlasov (Russia) BALTIC
    12. Mohamed Ali Ndiaye (Italy)
    13. Renan St. Juste (Canada)
    14. Yuzo Kiyota (Japan) OPBF
    15. Andre Dirrell (US)
    * NA = NOT AVAILABLE
    Brian Magee (GB) WBA Interim Champion
    Stanislav Kashtanov (Ukraine) * NA - WBA
    Glen Johnson (US) * NA - IBF
    Rudy Markussen (Denmark) * NA - WBA
    Piotr Wilczewski (Poland) * NA - WBO
    Dimitri Sartison (Kazakhstan) * NA - WBA
    Carl Froch (GB) * NA - IBF


    WBO (10.IV.2012)
    1. Arthur Abraham (WBO Europe) ARM
    2. Mikkel Kessler DK
    3. George Groves GB
    4. Andre Dirrell USA
    5. James DeGale GB
    6. Anthony Dirrell USA
    7. Adonis Stevenson (NABO)
    8. Kelly Pavlik USA
    9. Nikola Sjekloca SER
    10. Ezequiel Osvaldo Maderna (Latino)
    11. Willbeforce Shihepo (WBO Africa) NAM
    12. Maxim Vlasov RUS
    13. Edwin Rodriguez DR
    14. Renan St. Juste CAN
    15. Nader Hamdan (Asia-Pacific) AUST


    IBO (computerized, current - 19.IV.2012)
    1 CARL FROCH GB 34 former wbc
    2 MIKKEL KESSLER DEN 33 WBO european
    3 KELLY PAVLIK USA 29 former wbc
    4 ARTHUR ABRAHAM ARM 32 former ibf
    5 ANDRE DIRRELL USA 28 NABO
    6 KAROLY BALZSAY HUN 32 WBA world
    7 ALLEN GREEN USA 32
    8 EDWIN RODRIGUEZ USA 26
    9 ADONIS STEVENSON CAN 34 NABO
    10 GLENCOFFE JOHNSON USA 43 former ibo
    11 BRIAN MAGEE GB 36 WBA interim
    12 AARON PRYOR jnr USA 33
    13 GEORGE GROVES GB 24 GB & COMMON
    14 DIMITRI SARTISON GER 32 WBA ordinary
    15 NIKOLA SJEKLOCA MNT 33 WBC international

    So for all four major belt-awarding boxing boards rankings, Adonis Stevenson is currently top 10 material (champions aside). He's also #9 for another objective ranking system (the one used by IBO). This is remarkable, especially since no other fighter is top 10 according to all the 5 rankings (but some of them come close: Abraham, Rodriguez, Anthony Dirrell, Groves). The meaning of these rankings: Adonis is seen by all the boards as a good contender who might have a word to say at SMW. Of course, his 6th position in current BoxRec SMW rankings is very debatable, but keep in mind that his 373 points rating is not significantly higher that the ones below him and thus has very relative meaning. Probably he should actually rank somewhere just shy of the top 10 SMW.
     
  15. john doe

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    steward is also saying that superman is one of the most talented fighters he has ever trained in his whole career...