Calzaghe's Curse

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  1. BADINTENTIONS2

    BADINTENTIONS2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    more than likely joe calzaghe will be remembered as a great fighter in britain but a fighter who could have been great by the majority of boxing fans around the world.

    despite having outstanding skills, who here wouldn't have liked him to follow the path ricky hatton took, travelled to the US, and fought someone like hopkins or jones when they were at the height of their powers instead of taking on faded remnants of them now?

    as roy jones said, calzaghe was high risk, low reward back then..so welcome to the world of frank warren. the world hatton had the balls to leave so he could find out how good he really was while he was at his peak.

    this isn't a sledging post. i'm a big fan of calzaghe - but what i am not a fan of is sitting back in your hometown and turning a blind eye to the 'milking process' which frank warren is notorius for, and then calling out people like hopkins and jones (which calzaghe did) before you've truly earned your dues, knowing full well it wouldn't happen.

    like it or not - you make your name in the US. that carries weight, a greater fanbase, an interest from the heavyweights like HBO and 'hey presto' - you're a legitimate candidate for a shot at one the world's top fighters. because you then carry legitimate cash to the negotiating table. if you don't want to take those chances then you may as well change your name to sven ottke.

    title defences are immaterial. as kessler's promoter mogens palle said, "we can sit and fight nobodies 4 times a year, rake in the cash and hit 21 defences too" - or something to that effect. but only the beercan boxing fan, or patriot, on the street will buy it.

    and this is warren's market.

    which leads me to my point.

    calzaghe beating a 44 year old hopkins is nothing more than a bee in his bonnet and will not further his legacy.

    the reason being of course is that calzaghe should have lived for the moment years ago when it counted instead of counting the cash with warren. he could have done it - and because he didn't - he will more than likely be remembered as an extremely gifted fighter who, wait for it, never fought a proven world class fighter in his prime.

    if calzaghe accepted this choice he consciously made (IMO) without crowing about how hopkins and jones wouldn't fight him 10 or so years ago then no problem, but living with the illusion that beating hopkins now will further his legacy is the greatest illusion of all and, if he believes it, it's a result of the publicity and euphoria that exists around him from being a high profile sporting hero in britain - regardless of how educated people are.

    for me, his career has been a waste of one of a great talent.

    i'll say it again - GREAT.

    but i can't refer to him as that for not having the balls to pursue his own destiny like his former stablemate ricky hatton did.

    floyd accepted ricky's challenge....

    calzaghe, 7 or so years his senior, had to ask hopkins for his 'moment'.
     
  2. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    He can still take on a guy like Chad Dawson and also Mikkel Kessler still has the chance to build a great legacy.

    All is not said and done yet.
     
  3. Caliboxing

    Caliboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There's still time and good opponents for Calzaghe out there, he just has to use it wisely.
     
  4. BADINTENTIONS2

    BADINTENTIONS2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    he's taken on and beaten kessler.
    the point is, the guys who could have furthered his legacy he never genuinely pursued.
     
  5. C HOP

    C HOP The World Awaits Full Member

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    its sounds as though you rate calzaghe in with the likes of sven ottke ,in only taking mandatory opponents in his back yard to prevent him losing his 0 loss, Calzaghe is a great boxing champ not a all time great , but a tremendous talent niot wasted in my opinon becuase 21 defense of the super middle weight belt , and 10 years champion is a great achievement in my opinion! and a 1 which i belive boxing fans will hold in high regard as time passes on!
     
  6. BADINTENTIONS2

    BADINTENTIONS2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i'm not under-rating joe's talent at all. but if you read the full post you wouldn't feel the need to refer to the defences and so on as a defence to him.

    just read the full post and tell me what you disagree with.
     
  7. FRKO

    FRKO "A MAN" Full Member

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    Why is it that people forget so easily that Hopkins ducked Calzaghe 6 years ago? Jones also ducked him, according to Warren.

    I agree that Joe might have been able to move his career along faster if he'd tried harder, but I also understand that he has tried to make the big fights happen and the competition ran the other way as fast as they could. You can hardly blame them. Calzaghe isn't a robot. He is a world champion prize fighter who has made achievements that very few fighters in the history of the sport have done. Count them. Then after he's gone, count the years until we see anybody like him again.

    To say that a world champion should have to go looking for a fight in order to become a celebrity is not entirely fair. The world should have come to Calzaghe, if the world was a fair place.

    Cut Joe some slack. The guy is a living legend and he'll be remembered as nothing less.
     
  8. C HOP

    C HOP The World Awaits Full Member

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    I agree with alot of your post but again i to am a big fan of calzaghe but a bigger boxing fan and i agree with your main point how calzaghe staying in his back garden has taken his career further from all time great, but a super middle weight division which wasnt always great was another case aswell, bernard hopkins focused on middle weight and roy jones jr moved up 2 light heavy weight to do his thing! but 100% agree warren held calzaghe back , and its a shame to be honest its promoters like him who hides fighters away at least don king puts on big fights even if it is for him! but there are still oppertunitys for calzaghe to further his legacy!
     
  9. BADINTENTIONS2

    BADINTENTIONS2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    just read the point i made about being a commodity in the US and being recognised.
    check out what jones said and that applies to hopkins too...

    no fighter who has made their rep is going to risk it against a fighter who brings nothing to the table. calzaghe was a european champ then and a nobody in the US to be honest.

    calzaghe was never 'dodged' because if you want the top fighters you need to play the business game of boxing.
    please read the full post.
     
  10. BADINTENTIONS2

    BADINTENTIONS2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    solid post.

    but to be honest it's hard to see anyone except pavlik giving joe props now, don't you think?
     
  11. D_knowsboxing

    D_knowsboxing The King is back Full Member

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    Good post. Cal needed to fight bhop and rjj a long time ago. Pulled some margarito type stuff and followed them around and demanded to test his skill against the best. But time keeps ticking and both of those fighters of his generation have gotten older and aren't the same fighters they were in their hay day. 20 yrs down the line people around the world will remember RJJ and Bhop as great fighters. Calz will also be remember probably b/c of his record and tenure as champ, but not as a great fighter.
     
  12. FRKO

    FRKO "A MAN" Full Member

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    Come on man, you're not living up to your username.
     
  13. BADINTENTIONS2

    BADINTENTIONS2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    exactly. you reflect me view to a tee.

    i don't mind if anyone disagrees with what i say - i'm more than happy to defend it. but please read the entire post before disagreing because i think i've covered things to the best of my ability, am willing to answer questions and challenges, but not if they are made prematurely because the full post hasn't been read - which is what is happening.
     
  14. LightningJoe

    LightningJoe The Filipino Flash Full Member

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    No way big-name fighters wanted any part of Joe back then. Anyone can see he's a nightmare to face. I mean around 2001-2002ish was when he wanted these big paydays (not 10 years ago).

    Why fight a dangerous little-known european for little cash and little kudos?

    I think joe was ducked in that period - mainly because of money.
     
  15. BADINTENTIONS2

    BADINTENTIONS2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    that's not an answer.
    say why you disagree.
    it's not about allegiances - calzaghe is one of my favourite fighters.