Top 5 Ppv of all time and imagine what Tyson would of sold with 24/7 or fight camp

I honestly feel like Evander was about to get his ass stopped in the first fight, believe it or not. Tyson came out pissed in the 5th round and had by far his best of both fights; non-stop aggression, starting to land with frequency with Holy backing up and holding on. Even got in his right hook/right uppercut :deal He took it going away. Next round, the same thing when suddenly comes the blatant headbutt and cut up against the ropes, followed soon thereafter by a blatant low blow that shook Mike up and then the off-balance KD. At that point, Tyson needed to start putting his patented elbows to good use, but just didn't have the guts. Can only imagine how different things wouldve been had it been Tyson of the Ruddock fights when he was at some of his dirtiest play.

 

The funniest part is I've seen an ALT around with the name of "Cocoon of Horror" and has the goofiest McNeeley avatar you'll ever see.

Comedy Gold!

 

I actually re-watched that fight just the other week and forgot how bad Tyson looked in that fight. Same with Holyfield. The difference: Holyfield being a more active fighter and having more "fight" in him, was able to put things more together and stick around for the long haul.

Watch Tyson fight Berbick, Biggs, Thomas, etc.
Just pick one.
And then watch him against Holyfield.

The fluidity isn't there. It actually wasn't there most of the time post Spinks. He was so smooth with his rotations while with Rooney and training for it. Like water
I remember reading he ditched the "Willy" and some of the other drills D'Amato had set-up for him post Rooney. There was a great article about the use of D'Amato's drills in a S.I. magazine when discussing Buster Mathis.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1079455/index.htm





It's actually a good fight because both are past it but sad considering what they were both like at their peaks.

Tyson of the Ruddock fights was decent. The second fight I was impressed with his right-cross that he had been working on. And those body-shots were killer. But by that second fight he was also taking a lot more clean shots and I don't know...something was missing.

 

'91 Tyson was a shell of his former self, to be sure. I'll always feel it was still significantly better than what he looked like in 1996 and a enough to beat either of those versions of Holyfield. 1991 is interesting for the fact that Holy was a much smaller 207 lbs and tended to get himself caught up in slugfests at ring center. Please do :deal

 

He was much better against Ruddock than post-prison.

BODY-SHOTS is key to beat Holyfield. However, the only problem is, like Tyson noted...when he hurt Holfyeild to the body bad with that one shot...Holy came back and whooped him for it. Holy is a real MFer . Guy is so hard to kill. If you haven't see it before or need to refresh...go watch his fight with Alex Stewart. It shows that Holyfield is vulnerable and Tyson could take advantage of that...but at the same time, you have to be prepared for 9 lives Holyfield because he is coming back. But I do think you can halt this and continue to keep him in a state of drowning in order to drown him.

But to beat him, you just have to continue at it. He comes back at you, you go back at him. I think that is something Tyson could have done pre-prison (when he trained properly...mentally and physically).

Overall, Rooney trained Tyson would be also using his Jab, combinations, better movement, with the body-shots which I do think would be a lot easier for him to do given Holyfied's height as opposed to someone like Tucker who Tyson was still able to land Jabs....and...he would have been prepared, studied...and HE WOULD HAVE HAD A PROPER GAME-PLAN....with Rooney guiding him and keeping him on track all the way through.


Here is a little piece from the Stewart fight

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mark to check post.

 

True story.

People just get sick of hearing the old "86-88 Tyson", "Tyson with Rooney"... It makes him the butt of some jokes and sarcastically snide comments no matter how true, hence 1991 Tyson is the chosen rebuttal. In 1996, Holyfield was considered a dead man walking, having bouts with heart problems, Hepatitus A, all but collapsing in the ring in Bowe III, having fought only Bobby Czyz (renowned Tyson homer ) since. Mike in all likelihood looked at him as someone there to drop when he gets hit like everyone else and got his ass whooped in return. I can't see post-Douglas, rampaging Tyson taking Holyfield lightly. His skills were in decay, but his condition was impeccable. The defense and head movement was gone, but the power, speed and body attack were there (as was his awareness). He rocks, hurts and batters Holyfield to a decision win IMO and suffers a steep decline soon thereafter as a result of it (along with the Ruddock wars) but it wouldnt matter. His legacy wouldve been solidified.

 

Except I once posted an S.I. article that had Top Trainers all pointing to his demise when he left Rooney. I think it is in my thread history.

And, here is a question:

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But other than that; I do look at the other side of things: Some People all to often like to use the "Rooney card" to make it seem like Tyson was this invincible fighter that would have beaten anyone in history and somehow proved it with the opponents he fought...when in reality, we really just don't know because by the time Tyson could have proven himself, which would have been in the 90's...he never made it. If he finished off the 90's generation, yeah...I would have considered him the GOA.

If we are talking fantasy, it would have been interesting to have seen D'Amato around the whole time. Not only to keep Tyson on track, and helping him game-plan and train which is higher than the Rooney-card...but also to help him mature more as a human being like Patterson did.


Note on Bobby Czyz : He didn't like Holyfield because he considered Evander a fake. There was an article/interview years back where he talked about it. And he felt Tyson was different than what others in the public thought of him as.
But yes, a bit of a homer but many are

 

Nah. There is way more ppv theft these days.

 

I don't know. It's hard to say. On one side you have this point and on the other side you have a counter-point, so....

But Tyson was getting ripped off from PPV (and not just from King).
I can't recall anyone I know having paid for a Tyson fight. All "may" have had "black-box." Compared to today who although I "may" know people that find ways to get it off the computer, many more I know pay for it.



The other thing is the media outlets today can help with promotion. And Given how huge Tyson still managed to be even though the 80's was a media age as well...but compared to today...I think it's impressive.

I wonder if you would have to factor in population growth ??
Maybe 60 million more people today ??
Have to check the numbers

 

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19: 28

I don't give a **** what anyone says about Peter

that song is my favorite song of all times

for that one split moment in time I thought he was gonna win the fight

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Incredibly, not one of those 5 fights was good. Tyson-Holyfield 1 would have been good but it was full of headbutts.

 

:deal Unyet a lot of people believe that Holyfield beats a prime Tyson atsch

Tyson looked horrendous in that fight & it still took Holy 11 rounds to beat him.

 

The '91 version of Tyson certainly wasn't the same, but would still be too much for Holyfield.

'87 '88 Tyson K.O's Holyfield in 7 brutal rounds.
'91 Tyson TKO's Holyfield in 8, in a classic brawl.

 

Holyfield will never get the props he deserves. Not even on a boxing site ffs..