Does Froch now have a better record than Calzaghe?

Yes.

 

Yes I think so, Froch fought everyone around his weight not avoiding anyone and going into their backyard and not caring if their in their prime or not.

Let's face it a prime RJJ would of KO Joe.

 

And Froch has never beaten anyone as good as Calzaghe, or even anyone as good as Kessler for that matter. Aside from last night and the Abraham fight, Froch has only ever had tough fights even against the likes of Magee.

 

I'd say now they're on a par. This win for Froch was AS good as Calzaghe's over Lacy/Kessler. All Froch has to to beat Joe's record now is to avenge Kessler and rematch Ward or beat a Chad Dawson down the line. They're aren't many fighters better than him in and around his weight class and I'm sure Froch is already looking ahead to facing Kessler again.

 

These are my sentiments too.

 

Ward outclassed Froch, Kessler beat Froch clearly, what does that leave Froch with compared to Calzaghe who has wins over Hopkins and Kessler.

People give too much credit for losses, a loss is a loss, i could get in the ring with Froch, Kessler, Calzaghe, Ward etc and lose in the first minute of the first round in every fight and still claim to have a great resume ?, greater than another boxer that had not fought all of those names.

The bottomline is Calzaghe not only would have beaten Froch easily head to head he has a much better record as well, Hopkins, Kessler, Roy Jones, Eubank and Lacy is miles better than Pascal, Taylor, Johnson, Abraham and Bute.

 

The difference with that is Froch fought PRIME fighters. Pascal he fought in his Prime, Bute was in his prime, Abraham was smack bang in his prime.

Lacy was a good champion but less skilled than any of Bute/Abraham.

Roy Jones/Eubank shouldn't count as much because Eubank was a faded force who lost his killer edge after the Michael Watson fight (due to the mental damage that almost killing someone does)

We all know Roy Jones is a shadow of what he once was when he faced Joe, he was on ***** street everytime anyone lands.

 

Roy Jones? Seriously? Roy wasn't even ranked when Joe beat him AND Joe stated in his Autobiography (Which was some time before he faced Roy) that the fight "Would of been a waste of time" because Roy has fallen from grace.

Eubank was a Dinosaur by the time Joe fought him.

Hopkins fight was a Draw.

Kessler was his best win, and even then Kessler could of beaten him.

Joe isn't this kind of god that everyone makes him out to be.

 

Kessler could have beaten him? Right......

You're losing quite a lot of credibility here with your frankly bizarre attempts to discredit Calzaghe whilst talking up all things Froch. Try to show a bit of balance.

 

:huh

That is latin...

 

Please don't even mention Calzaghe in the same sentence as Froch. Calzaghe would never have even entered the Super Six let alone fight Bute straight afterwards.

 

i dont make the rules.

tell that to the ****s who introduced it as a standard form of recognition in this country.

 

True, not least because he had retired!

That Carlos Monzon was a ***** for avoiding it; sure he was dead, but that did not stop Taylor entering. And what was Hagler's excuse? Marvelous, my arse!

 

I think we've got to be clear what we're assessing and not mix them up.

Who would win H2H? I think Calzaghe, and fairly comfortably. the Cobra simply isn't quick enough and we know Joe could keep up the pace for 12 rounds.

Who's the better ambassador for the sport? Carl Froch. No padding, no ducking and is willing to face anyone. Joe's opponents were sometimes picked a little too carefully and with an eye more on the money than the legacy.

Who's got the best wins? I think the Kessler and Hopkins wins trump anything that Froch has done. Calzaghe took Lacy's belt and a chunk of his soul when they fought; Froch may have done that to Bute but we'll have to wait & see.

Who's got the better overall record? Carl has fought at a more consistent level, whereas Joe fought for longer and became The Man at 2 weights. This one is close... I really like what Carl's done over the last couple of years but Joe's done that bit more.

So, for me, Carl needs to do a little more... rematch Kessler and maybe move up for a strap. Until then, I think Joe has the better legacy but Joe Calzaghe isn't the one I'd like to drink a pint with.

 

Kessler and Lacy were PRIME fighters when Calzaghe beat them, a less than prime Kessler coming off a loss went onto beat Froch clearly.

Lacy was ruined bt Calzaghe, they said Lacy was the new Mike Tyson at the time, the Froch v Bute fight reminded me greatly of Calzaghe v Lacy fight, i think Bute is ruined now as a top fighter for the rest of his career and down the line some people will say of Froch win over Bute, good win for Froch but Bute wasnt nothing special.

On another thread the poster 'Popkins' put forward Froch's 5 best wins at SMW as Pascal, Johnson, Abraham, Taylor and Dirrell, obviously Bute would now be in that list and for Calzaghe the poster had Kessler, Lacy, Eubank, Reid and Mitchell.

The five opponents that were put forward as Calzaghe's best wins won 38 super middleweight world titles between them at the time of the list, two of them were even unbeaten multiple world champions at the weight when Calzaghe beat them.
The five opponents that were put up as Froch's best wins did not have one single world title at the weight between the lot of them at the time, that changes with Bute but the difference between Calzaghe's best wins and Froch's best wins is huge with Calzaghes best wins being against much better boxers.

Calzaghe has a far stronger record than Froch even with Bute on it.

PS Hokpins isnt even on the list as it was at LH and Hopkins as we now was in the middle of a great run of wins when Calzaghe beat him:- Tarver win, Winky Wright win, Calzaghe loss, Pavlik win, Ornelas win, Roy Jones win, Pascal draw, Pascal win.

Calzaghe record still puts Froch record in the shade as good as Froch record is.