If Calzaghe had picked opponents Froch style, how many defeats would he have had?

There comes a point in a 46 fight career that simply having amazing work rate isn't enough. If one of the best defensive masters, and counter punchers of the last 10+ years, who was able to put together his best ever run either side of the Calzaghe fight, couldn't take advantage, then it suggests there are further factors than simply high work rate.

 

Again, you don't have your timeframes correct.

Bernard was NOT a legend at the time. Most of his legendary status came later.

As of 2002, he was a very well thought of MW who was on track to beat Monzon's record of defences and he had just bested Trinidad. He accepted $3m to fight Calzaghe in the states, but next day demanded $6M. He was certainly not worth $6. In fact $3M would have been a career high for him, even including the Tito fight.


As for how the fight actually progressed in 2008, you have your take about gassing after four. Calzaghe MADE him work. Did he gas against Pavlik six months later ? Or Pascal severlal years later ?

I've already discussed Beyer, who would have done little for Calzaghe's legacy.


The last part of your post requires no response. At 37, retirement at the top of his game was a sensible choice.

Most pro boxers are gone much earlier.

 

Mostly agree, except for Toney.

IMO, Calzaghe would have prevailed over Toney at SMW or LHW.

Jones is another story.

Jones was h2h the best SMW of the era.

 

This.

 

Well this pretty much sums it up. The only guy that Froch has lost to that has a chance against Calzqghe is Ward. Joe clearly outclasses a younger, more prime version of Kessler than the one Froch lost to. So even if Ward hypothetically beat Calzaghe, Joe would seem to be a cut above. People forget that Froch almost lost to Taylor...Calzaghe would have embarrassed Taylor. Abraham destroyed Taylor.

 

Ridiculous thread.

So opponents Froch style
Pascal done nothing at SMW
Taylor a MW who was 1-2 in his 3 fights coming in and done nothing at SMW
Dirrell who had done nothing at SMW
Kessler the best opponent Froch has faced, coming off a loss who Calzaghe beat when undefeated
Abraham who had done nothing at SMW
Johnson a SMW journeyman who had done nothing at SMW
Lost to Ward
Bute a good win but not better than Eubank, Kessler and I dont think Lacy either now,

Anyway you seem to not know too much about the division.

Jones was a LHW when Calzaghe became SMW champ

Collins you note retired and didnt return

Ottke didnt want to fight Calzaghe and his trainer admits that

Toney was a CW when Calzaghe became SMW champ and Toney has a terrible SMW resume

Reid was never the same after Calzaghe and ask yourself this - Why should Calzaghe give Reid a rematch when Reid refused to fight Calzaghe when Reid was WBC champ?
How could you not score rounds 2, 3, 4,7, 8 (Reid also had a point deduction in that round), 12 to Calzaghe? Remember Reid had a point deducted also.

I thought like 2 judges that Calzaghe was a clear winner and except for McCrory who scored a draw and later seemed to agree all of the other studio guest scored wide for Calzaghe including Mcguigan and Eubank. I also think damaged handed (damaged his hand in round 4) Calzaghe won and felt he won rounds 1, 9 (Reid did land the punch of the night in round 9 though) & 11.

Good away win for Calzaghe

Hopkins wouldnt fight Calzaghe as is widely known like Ottke wouldnt

Bute said he wasnt ready for Calzaghe or Kessler when they were both SMWs

Steiglitz would have got beaten but got beaten by Berrio at that sort of time. Calzaghe fought Kessler instead of Steiglitz

Beyer got KOd by Catley who Calzaghe had KOd not long before as amateurs and Calzaghe beat the fighter who destroyed Beyer

Ward - Calzaghe had not been a SMW for over 2 years before Ward won a world title

 

Always a win over a ducker like yourself . I notice that you couldnt counter one point below

As said its a ridiculous thread, where I countered every point

 

Calzaghe is nothing special...

 

0. He had the chin to slap away a victory

 

Well if had fought the best of his day - he'd have one defeat to Roy Jones - if he had fought Froch's opponents he would have no defeats - Only question is on Ward, but if we're talking prime Calzaghe, then he'd beat Ward aswell - everything Ward does good Calzaghe did better.

 

**** off. Calazghe had an iron chin, took everything Kessler had. You've never boxed in your life so what would you know. You make it up as you go along.

 

By the way Collins had heard of Calzaghe. Calzaghe was his mandatory and wouldn't have retired otherwise.

 

Pascal nearly beat Froch at the end of the day. The win I'll admit looks good now but Pascal had done nothing at the time. Yes it was a good win though.

This.
I remember Popkins taking the **** out of Calzaghe's resume after Kessler lost to Ward, but Kessler had had lay offs, and got a cut early on and has proven his quality since. The point I made is Ward could very well go on to be the next Roy Jones jr. I think Calzaghe would have beaten him but who knows.