Has Ward the courage to go fight Froch in England?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by aliviu_emilian, May 30, 2012.


  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Dont be silly. Ward doesnt like leaving Oakland for a big fight let alone be the away fighter.

    Still lets not forget that American and American based fighters and Canadian and Canadian based fighters dont seem to be able to win big fights at SMW when fighting in Europe.
    Consider how Lacy, Dirrell, J Taylor, Bute, Pascal, Mitchell, Brewer etc all were beaten in Europe

    Consider in Europe

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    - Bute, Dirrell, Pascal
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    - Andrade, Green, Lucas
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    - Lacy, Manfredo, Pudwill, McIntyre, Jimenez, Sheika, Brewer, Mitchell
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    - Schommer, Holmes, Close (I said based in America), Thornton, Essett, Jarvis
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    - McClellan, Perez
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    - Lucas, Sheika
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    - Mitchell, Gatti, Brewer, Tate, Butler, Pudwill, G Johnson, Hernandez, Bryan,

    This just gives an idea but do consider that out of those 28 fighters 21 were or became world rated in the division.

    So no Ward wouldnt dare travel to Europe, his team looked at how these fighters freeze when in the lions den
     
  2. m8te

    m8te Oh you ain't know? Full Member

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    you're completely wrong. veteran clubs/fighters, since you insist on making the reference, are less affected by being the home team, or the away team. young clubs are more likely to be rattled, or pumped up as a direct result of the venue. this is a known thing all throughout sport. if you disagree, then you completely discount experience as an asset, which you clearly do with andre ward in that you believe fighting carl froch in england would have somehow changed the outcome, even though it was a dominant and thorough one.
     
  3. m8te

    m8te Oh you ain't know? Full Member

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    your numbers mean nothing. it would be different if andre ward was the fighter, whose losses in europe you were highlighting, but it isn't. he's a completely different person, and a different fighter, in his prime, who has dominated carl froch, something you cannot accept.
     
  4. SleazeNation

    SleazeNation Coal Black Horse Full Member

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    Are you joking?

    The top of the Premier League this year, home and away wins...

    Man City home 18 wins away 10 wins
    Man United home 15 wins away 13 wins
    Arsenal home 12 wins away 9 wins
    Tottenham home 13 wins away 7 wins
    Newcastle home 11 wins away 8 wins
    Chelsea home 12 wins away 6 wins
    Everton home 10 wins away 5 wins

    Two teams have twice as many home wins. And they are two of the most experienced in the league.

    You are completely wrong, home advantage matters in every sport, to every team.
     
  5. Bulletproof

    Bulletproof Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This is just sour grapes. Let's say Ward went to Nottingham and smashed Froch AGAIN. Then what? A fight in Beirut or on the ****ing moon? Ward is the best super middie in the world, head to head he beat Froch's ass. Fact! Head to head he beat Abraham's ass. Fact.! Head to head he beat Kessler's ass. Fact!!! Get over it... Snif, snifff., but he won't come to Nottingham.. sniff, sniff..

    It's funny that all of Froch's butt hurt fans are screaming for Ward to come to England, but in the post Bute fight interview when asked directly to his face about Ward, big bad Carl basically said "No Thanks". Carl never mentioned anything about a re-match with Ward anywhere on this planet. Rightfully so, the first fight was about a competitive as a house-cat vs a pitbull.
     
  6. Jaber

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    sorry dude,i'm no brit
     
  7. m8te

    m8te Oh you ain't know? Full Member

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    you insist with this utter bull**** comparison.


    you british people love highlighting numbers in order to corroborate your points, when in fact the numbers mean nothing. I'm sorry, I do not follow soccer. who is experienced and inexperienced on that list? what were the circumstances surrounding those wins and losses? those numbers mean nothing to me. propose an arguement, not a chart. that lends no credinility to your point whatsoever. andre ward beat joe calzaghe.
     
  8. SleazeNation

    SleazeNation Coal Black Horse Full Member

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    He has meantioned the Ward rematch in most of the interviews since the weekend. Kessler or Ward rematches are the two fights he has talked about.

    In England, he would take Ward's balls. Like he did to Bute.
     
  9. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Dont have to accept anything.
    Tell me what big fight Ward has won as the away fighter?

    Tell me what big SMW fight an American SMW has won in Europe?

    If Ward can win away, fair play to him, he will have proved me wrong, but I dont think his team kept all of his world title fights in America for nothing. They knew while everyone else travelled, Ward hid at home and I think that was very smart business on their part, because history tells the full story
     
  10. m8te

    m8te Oh you ain't know? Full Member

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    whatever man
     
  11. SleazeNation

    SleazeNation Coal Black Horse Full Member

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    Chelsea 12 home and 6 away wins, have the most experienced players in the league, they also won the European cup this year.

    They won twice as many home games.

    But this is normal in sport, home advantage is always important.
     
  12. m8te

    m8te Oh you ain't know? Full Member

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    history tells the full story? it would if your numbers actually applied to andre ward, and not guys like omar shieka and shelby pudwill:rofl

    I cant tell you what big fight he's won as an away fighter, but I can tell you who he beat thoroughly. he's beaten one of the guys in your avatar, more thoroughly than joe calzaghe I might add, allen green, carl froch, arthur abraham, sakio bika, and now he's on the verge of fighting chad dawson. fair play to him, period, whether he fights away or not. he's the best super middleweight on earth, you cant argue against that.
     
  13. FilipMNE

    FilipMNE Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Team sport and individual sports are different, did you know that??:hey
     
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    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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  15. HolgerD

    HolgerD Armscontrol Full Member

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    You are completely right......HEAD TO HEAD.....he was HEADbutting Kessler back to the stone ages. On top of giving the Kessler camp all kind of troubles Ward was allowed a lot of BS in that fight. For christ sake, even Ward thinks Kessler might deserve a rematch.