Goldenboy/ Mayweather/ Montoya drug testing stuff: Updated - Big News?

And also, how badly these sports want to find dopers. The top men carry an awful lot of the casual interest in most sports, so if they got banned then commercially the sports are worth a lot less.

Do the sports have poor testing so they don't catch guys out, or do they not catch guys out because they have poor testing? The more I read the more I think that it's the first one. Boxing/tennis and whatever other sports don't want to know what the top guys are upto and you can see why when you look at say cycling. I always assume that whoever wins the Tour de France is a very clever drug cheat, regardless of them never failing a test. I just think they are good dopers, not good cyclists. The credibility of every rider was shot to bits by the 10's of guys who failed tests.

 

The pharmaceutical firms should have teams like in F1.

Seriously, there is no point in bringing up individual athletes. It is the responsibility of the regulatory bodies to ensure fair competition.

For the example above of Nadal, if tennis didn't have such a relentless tournament schedule perhaps athletes would be able to contend with injuries naturally.

In boxing if there was a worldwide body which actually scheduled fights between ranked fighters on a logical and regular basis there wouldn't be this black hole between when a fighter is competing and when he is not.

 

Sorry, didn't realise that. Many tennis players have been critical of the schedule and resultant injuries for many years so I assumed that was what you were referring to.

 

I've often thought there should be a separate olympics for drug users. Sure it's bad for the athletes long term health, and it's nothing more than a pharmaceutical freakshow, but it would be cool as ****.

Imagine some pumped up monster on secret Soviet combat neuro-drugs who can run the 100m in about 7 secs. The commentators could just have a desk full of charlie like Tony Montana. I'm not saying the BBC would carry it, but Bravo or the Sci-Fi channel would.

 

That's not far from how it is anyway..

 

Sound like it'd be perfect on Primetime... :good

 

So true. Was Conte wasn't it, said that?

With all pro sport, you have to make a decision. Accept the fact that it's not, never has been, and never will be what it seems, go ahead and enjoy it anyway. Or simply not bother at all.

 

For those who inquired as to whether these controversies has occurred in the past, here are a couple of examples (outside of the obvious Aaron Pryor 'black bottle' incident)

1974-02-09 : Carlos Monzon 159¾ lbs beat Jose Napoles 153 lbs by RTD at 3:00 in round 6 of 15
Location: Puteaux, Hauts-de-Seine, France
Referee: Raymond Baldeyrou
WBA & WBC Middleweight Title
"Carlos Monzon successfully defended his world middleweight title Saturday by beating welterweight champion Jose Napoles. The Argentine champion, using a 5 inch reach advantage and the power behind a 6 3/4 pound weight edge, pummeled Napoles viciously in the 5th and 6th rounds, then won the bout when the Cuban-born challenger who fights out of Mexico City failed to answer the bell for the 7th round of the scheduled 15 round fight. Napoles apeared unable to seriously threaten Monzon. It was only in the 1st round when he slipped a left jab through Monzon's guard and twice scored with looping rights to the head that Napoles looked like he might seriously challenge Monzon." -Associated Press
Immediately after this bout Monzon, still in his boxing gear, hopped in a car and left for his hotel. The President of the French Boxing Federation, Bernard Restout, stated he would be filing a protest with the WBC for disciplinary action due to this action as Monzon was to immediately submit to the required post fight urinalysis. Monzon's camp claimed that the trailer, provided to the fighters, hadn't water or facilities and that Monzon preferred not to stop there for the test.

1980-10-04 : Eusebio Pedroza 125¾ lbs beat Rocky Lockridge 124½ lbs by SD in round 15 of 15
Location: Great Gorge Resort, McAfee, New Jersey, USA
Referee: Stanley Christodoulou 147-141
Judge: Rodolfo Hill 149-139
Judge: Harold Lederman 142-144
"Veteran Eusebio Pedroza of Panama, showing the poise and polish of a champion, made the 10th successful defense of his WBA featherweight title Saturday, scoring a grueling and highly controversial 15 round split decision over previously unbeaten Rocky Lockridge. Pedroza rallied in the 2nd half of the fight to defeat Lockridge, who was 16-0." -United Press International
Unofficial UPI scorecard (scored by American correspondent Joe Carnicelli): 143-143 Draw
American commentators Tim Ryan and Gil Clancy of CBS scored the bout 145-140 for Lockridge.
Less than 30 minutes after the fight, Lockridge's manager Lou Duva accused Pedroza of violating WBA rules by taking a foreign substance. Duva produced a tape made by New Jersey public TV (filming a Lockridge documentary) which clearly showed Pedroza's manager Santiago Del Rio placing something in the champion's mouth after the 5th round.
Pedroza agreed to and took a urine test after the controversy.

Post fight comments
"They put something in his mouth. It's clear violation of the rules. The rules say a fighter may take only clear water and that if anything else is taken he is subject to DQ. We went all over this at the rules meeting." -Lou Duva
"There were pills, I saw them." -Promoter Bob Arum
"I take some ice in my mouth between rounds. I don't need anything during a fight. I am in too good condition to have to take anything like that." -Eusebio Pedroza

I've seen Pedroza's corner men put something in his mouth before. It could well be ice, but it seemed to me the corner man's hand conveniently covered Pedroza's mouth completely when he put whatever it was in there. In Eusebio's defence, this was when he wasn't taking water in between rounds, so it's feasible.

 

To be honest im pretty sure thats exactly what he's doing. Imo its no coincidence that this **** surfaces just as Floyd is going to jail and therefore cannot defend himself. Something like this could snowball into a huge anti Floyd story (whether true or false) within 90 days and by the time he gets released some of the mud could have stuck so to speak.

One thing that does make me ponder though is that the slightest mention of Floyd juicing without evidence is strangely being taken seriously by many yet when Pac was accused of the same thing people were tripping over each other to defend him. It would seem popularity is a gauge to measure integrity in boxing.

 

Being in prison doesn't stop his very dedicated team from stepping in. I think it's just timing - Montoya was writing about this before the Peterson story broke.

Is he slinging mud? I think he's just asking some very pertinent questions. But in the same way I never heard anyone suggest Manny was taking drugs until Mayweather Sr said it, it could be the same here.

Perhaps because Floyd and co were the ones who started the noise and now it appears there has been some shady dealings around Floyd's own tests.

 

The reason people are happy to jump on Floyd is because he's been talking **** about it for years.

No surprise kerrminator is defending him, he thinks Floyd is the greatest. boxer. ever.