Or was his defeats and him rising from defeat that got him his love and respect?if he never lost and ran through opponents i think he would not have been respected,its something about that 0 that makes people say"no way he was that good,no way he could have never lost...if we never saw Ali,on the ground,swollen and in defeat how would he be viewed?
respected, yes, but loved? almost certainly not. ali was hated through most of his career and only became loved when he was the underdog, after his enforced break and after losing to frazier. seeing a flawed or wounded individual overcome the odds brings a natural response of support and empathy. seemingly effortless supremacy often does the opposite - people want to see the bully beaten and humbled.
It doesn't hurt that Ali fought the best of the best in the greatest era in Heavyweight history. Not only the best of the best, but the best at their best.
Love/hate was more about political lines and age at that time. Ali was hated by the older/establishment types and loved by the younger/anti-establishment types. Even his support for the Liston/Patterson fights pretty much broke along those lines. Ali is who he was because of when he was.
You got it all wrong little buddy. Ali was William ****ing Wallace That Era the 50's 60's which Ali grew up in and fought in? Black boys was dragged behind pick up trucks to death because they winked at white girls. That's the Era Ali was loud mouth in. Ali talked his mouth off in an Era that killed Martin Luther King and had serious racial violence much worse then anything your country have now. Ali was the only black and first black loudmouth champion not because he was arrogant but because he was filled with racial hate that was shoved into him by that era. If Floyd mayweather was in that era he would have kept his ***** mouth shut or he would have been lynched.
Because you mistakenly thought that 1-Ali was loved . .He was not loved at all rofl. he was 10x more hated then FLoyd Boxing is a fringe sport now it was arguably the #1 sport in America when Ali boxed and the hate against him was so much worst. 2- The point of your thread is Floyd is hated because people never saw his vulnerable side and people 'love a loser' 3- I read on the other site sometimes your posts suggest Ali was selling fights with his loud mouth you obviously never seen a Ali interview Ali was in part selling fights but when he screamed 'uncle tom? those words were filled with venom and he 100% meant it. He believed what he was saying. It was For Ali it was "Us against them and if you are 'them' you can go die" Floyd sells fights and have a fake persona. I could give a **** about Floyd or Manny btw I have no agenda.
I don't think so. Losing humanises a fighter. Look at Tyson after Lewis...he gained a measure of redemption after losing.
I thought Jack Johnson was the first black Heavyweight champ with a big mouth, who went against the establishment and the norms for the time. He made white boxers look inferior at laughed in their faces and bedded many white women, etc etc which to the white culture at the time was outrageous Racism was far more widespread and vicious back then but Jack stood up to it, just as Ali made his stand in his era. I dont think Jack was given any slack after he lost and he certainly didnt gain any extra love. The media had a big part in this just as it did at Ali's time, just as it does today. Do I think an undefeated Ali would have been more loved? No I think he's revered because of the man he was more than his skills in the ring.
When a 10 time ****** talks about girls you get scared because the **** thing is always on the back of your mind 'is he gonna attempt ****' when you make a thread I think Floyd
No, they don't love you until they see you broken and flat out pathetic. That is why Mayweather is catch so much hell.