Do people have short memories. HOW is Pacquaio Marquez such a big robbery? Compare to

Pacquiao won, period. There was NO robbery. It should've been close no matter who you had winning, but I scored it live and another time after. I saw Pacquiao winning both times. I am no "*****", "*******" or "fanboy" of any kind. I am a big fan of Juan Manuel, but he did not do enough to win that fight. He did enough to make Pacquiao look ordinary, but styles make fights and the style of Marquez makes Pacquiao look bad every time.

Can anyone say Ken Norton to Ali? Ali was able to pull out close decision wins against his style nemesis. Ali deserved the decisions he got against Norton, yet some debate those. When the underdog does way better than expected, people cry robbery. Pacquiao won. Get over it!

Another thing, people keep saying that "everyone" thought that Marquez won or that "anyone who knows boxing knows Marquez won", well out of 144 people who saw the fight, this is how they saw it.

Blake Dreisbach, BleacherReport.com: 116-112 Marquez
Gabriel Montoya, MaxBoxing.com: 116-112 Marquez
Ron Borges, The Sweet Science/Boston Herald/Ring Magazine: 117-112 Marquez
Tim Smith, New York Daily News: 116-112 Marquez
Lem Satterfield, Ring Magazine: 117-111 Marquez
Mark Lyons, 8CountNews.com: 116-112 Marquez
Michael Marley, The Examiner: 115-113 Marquez
Mike Coppinger, RingTV.com: 115-113 Marquez
Al Bernstein: 115-113 Marquez
Wayne McCullough: 115-113 Marquez
Ryan Maquinana, ***********.com: 116-113 Marquez
Matt Hamilton, EsNews.com: 116-115 Marquez
Ed Graney, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 115-113 Marquez
Bob Sheridan: 115-114 Marquez
John Katsilometes, Las Vegas Sun: 115-114 Marquez
Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com: 117-113 Marquez
Bill Dwyer, Los Angeles Times: 115-113 Marquez
Pedro Fernandez, RingTalk.com: 116-113 Marquez
Chris Williams, BoxingNews24.com: 117-111 Marquez
Eric Raskin, TheSweetScience.com: 116-112 Marquez
Lyle Fitzsimmons, The Sports Network: 116-112 Marquez
Steve Bunce, BBC: 117-111 Marquez
Matt Lynch, BoxingToday: 116-112 Marquez
Chuck Giampa, Retired Boxing Judge: 116-112 Marquez
Glyn Leach, Boxing Monthly: 115-113 Marquez
Briggs Seekins, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Marquez
Oly Goldstein, BadLeftHook.com: 116-112 Marquez
Johnny Benz, DogHouseBoxing.com: 118-111 Marquez
Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 115-113 Marquez
George Willis, New York Post: 115-113 Marquez
Rich Thomas, ProBoxing-Fans.com: 116-112 Marquez
Raj Parmar, 3MoreRounds.com: 115-113 Marquez
Norm Frauenheim, 15Rounds.com: 115-113 Marquez
Martin Rogers, Yahoo! Sports: 115-113 Marquez
James Slater, EastSideBoxing.com: 116-112 Marquez
Nick Tylwalk, BoxingWatchers.com: 115-113 Marquez
Bob Velin, USAToday: 115-113 Marquez
Chris Manix, Sports Illustrated: 116-112 Marquez
Igor Guryashkin, ESPN: Marquez by one round
Brent Brookhouse, SB Nation: 115-113 Marquez
Will Cooling, FOX Sports/InsideFights: 118-110 Marquez
Andrew Fruman, The Boxing Bulletin: 116-112 Marquez
Ben Thompson, FightHype.com: 115-113 Marquez
Scott Mallon, Ring Magazine/TheSweetScience.com/TheFist: 117-111 Marquez
Dan Ambrose, BoxingNews24.com: 116-112 Marquez
Kevin Mitchell, The Guardian: 117-114 Marquez
Paul Magno, The Boxing Tribune: 115-113 Marquez
Jerry Izenberg, Newark Star-Ledger: 115-114 Marquez
Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News: 116-112 Marquez
Scott Christ, Bad Left Hook: 115-113 Marquez
Fox Doucette, The Boxing Tribune: 115-113 Marquez
Henry Ramirez, Boxing Trainer: 116-113 Marquez
Thomas Hauser, SecondsOut.com: 116-113 Marquez
Gerardo Granados, BoxingNews24.com: 116-112 Marquez
Robert Guerrero: 116-112 Marquez
Steve Kim, MaxBoxing.com: 115-113 Marquez
Graham Shaw, SportingLife.com: 116-113 Marquez
Max Kellerman, HBO: 114-114 Draw
Brian Arman Graham, Sports Illustrated: 114-114 Draw
Tim Dahlberg, Associated Press: 114-114 Draw
Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports: 114-114 Draw
Kieran Mulvaney, ESPN/Reuters: 114-114 Draw
Dan Rafael, ESPN: 114-114 Draw
Brian Campbell, ESPN Mobile: 114-114 Draw
george Elsasser, BraggingRightsCorner.com: 114-114 Draw
Jake Emen, ProBoxing-Fans.com: 114-114 Draw
Anthony Whitby, BoxingIQ.com: 114-114 Draw
Jeff Powell, The Daily Mail (UK): 114-114 Draw
Pace Miller, BleacherReport.com: 114-114 Draw
Gareth Davies, London Telegraph: 114-114 Draw
Larry Merchant, HBO: 114-114 Draw
Elie Seckbach, ESNews.com/AOL News: 114-114 Draw
Roy Jones, Jr.: Draw
Joe Bruiser, FightFan.com: 116-116 Draw
Michael Wright, ESPNChicago.com: Draw
Mark Lichtenfeld, Ring Announcer/Member, Ring Magazine Ratings Panel: 114-114 Draw
Teddy June, RingJunkies.com: 114-114 Draw
Rick Reeno, ***********.com: 114-114 Draw
Robert Ecksel, Boxing.com: 114-114 Draw
Frank Baltazar, Fight Manager/Inductee, California Boxing Hall of Fame: 115-115 Draw
****** Tate, BleacherReport.com: 114-114 Draw
Doug Fischer, Ring Magazine: 114-114 Draw
Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 114-114 Draw
Gary Andrew Pool, The Atlantic: 114-114 Draw
Beau Denison, SportsPageMagazine.com: 114-114 Draw
Daniel Herbert, Boxing News: 114-114 Draw
Leighton Ginn, Desert Sun (Palm Springs): 114-114 Draw
Doveed Linder, BoxingTalk.com: 114-114 Draw
Bob Papa, HBO: 114-114 Draw
Andrew Eisele, Boxing.about.com: 115-115 Draw
Charles Horgan, Boxing Tribune: 114-114 Draw
Gordon Marino, The Wall Street Journal: 114-114 Draw (Note: At the end of his live blog of the fight, he indicated his belief that Marquez had won; however, in his round-by-round, he scored Rounds 1-2, 5-7 and 12 for Marquez and Rounds 3-4 and 8-11 for Pacquiao.)
Kevin Cunningham, Boxing Trainer: Draw
Harold Lederman, HBO: 116-112 Pacquiao
Joseph Herron, FightSaga: 116-112 Pacquiao
Cliff Rold, ***********.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Will Carroll, Sports Illustrated: 116-112 Pacquiao
Allen Barra, The Atlantic: 116-113 Pacquiao
Chris Koegler, TheRealHook.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
David Kassel, FightHype.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Rob Rutz, MyBoxingFans.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Sean Sullivan, BoxingDigest: 115-114 Pacquiao
Ted Sares, Boxing.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Brian Mazique, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Glen Anglin, BoxingNews24.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Michael Rosenthal, Editor, Ring Magazine: 115-113 Pacquiao
Skip Bayless, ESPN: 116-112 Pacquiao
Jake Donovan, ***********.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Ken Hissner, DogHouseBoxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Bill Shimizu, Examiner.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Massimo Lopes Pegna, La Gazzetta dello Sport (Italy): 115-114 Pacquiao
James Foley, BleacherReport.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
Anthony Lee, BoxingNews24.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
John McCormick, BoxingTalk.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Graham Houston, FightWriter.com/FightNews.com/ESPN: 115-113 Pacquiao
Nick Fors, Pasionsports.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Ronald Geronimo, NowBoxing.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Danny Serratelli, EastSideBoxing.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Ace Freeman, FightFan.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Sean Faye, Eurosport Yahoo!: 116-115 Pacquiao
Scott Shaffer, BoxingTalk.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Nate Ravitz, ESPN: 117-111 Pacquiao
Mike Chiari, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Patrick L. Stumberg, SBNation: 115-113 Pacquiao
Colin Seymour, FrontPageBoxing.com/Examiner.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Jason Peck, EastSideBoxing.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Steve Busfield, The Guardian: 116-114 Pacquiao
Nick Fox, Bad Left Hook: 115-113 Pacquiao
Stephen Edwards, BoxingTalk.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Max Parker, Boxing Watchers: 115-114 Pacquiao
Adam Hirshfield, Bleacher Report.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
King J Gladney, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Ben Weisman, BoxingAsylum.com: 116-113 Pacquiao
Ken Pollitt, *****************: 116-113 Pacquiao
Michael David Smith, AOL NEWS/MMA Fighting.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Madra Uladh, EastSideBoxing.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Michael Woods, ESPN/TheSweetScience.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
Brad Cooney, 8CountNews.com/Examiner.com: Pacquiao by one round
"Old Yank" Schneider, Boxing.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
Greg Leon, BoxingTalk.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
Steve Marzolf, InsideHBOBoxing.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
Darrell La Montre, BoxingTalk.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Terra (Brazil): 116-112 Pacquiao
Joel Huerto, SportsFanLive: 115-113 Pacquiao
None of the above scores for Marquez or a draw is from Mexican media/boxers.
None of the above scores for Pacquiao or a draw is from Philippine media/boxers.
Among the unofficial scorers above, 57 scored the bout for Marquez, 51 scored the bout for Pacquiao, and 36 scored the bout a draw.

Not much of a robbery. More like a close, debated prize fight. Now go to sleep, children.

 

Marquez won what was a close fight. Mainly *****s who jump on the robbery bandwagon.

 

LOL, I see a bunch of names I recognize that had Marquez winning, but nobody I recognize othere than the BIAS HBO crew that had Pacquiao winning. LOL


Fighters and trainers, what fighters or trainers had Pacquiao winning?

 

Fighters and trainers are the best judges, after all. atsch This list is not one that I took the time to create, rather a list from boxrec.com. I have no invested interest in either of these fighters, I like them both. Your point here, a rather weak one I might add, is that since you've never heard of most of these people, that their cards are no good. Well, who the hell has ever heard of divac? I don't know, but he had Marquez winning. You just disproved your own logic, or lack thereof.

 

You just owned divac here.

 

to mr bounty.

thats ur response! pathetic. no point in even debate with you then. Good day sir

 

Exactly.

Only *******s are in denial of this. Its not the cards that are the real issue. It is the fact that it was a huge event ,and the only way JMM was ever going to be allowed to win was by KO, and even then you would have to think that Arum, would try to look for a DQ to protect his cash cow.

 

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I concur with this take.

It was a close fight, Marquez definately had a good case for the win, but the reaction to the decision was way overblown due to Marquez far exceeding expectations/Pac not fighting or being able to hurt Marquez as he was expected to and some of the good work he did do was missed or ignored, while everything Marquez did was easily seen with all sentiment on him

 

Marquez won because he got the vote of the popular judges/boxing figures:hey
Anyway, bradley will knock out pacquio for you which marquez never achived in 3 tries:yep

I predict bradley will KO pacquio in round 8.

 

naaah punchstats say otherwise.

robbery of the year is abril vs rios lol

 

I see a bunch of names of writers who scored for Marquez that were around before boxing forums were around.

The names that side with Pacquiao on your list are just fans from boxing forums who have no real knowleadge of the sport or its history.

For Gods sake Skip Bayless who you have as one who scored for Pacquiao does'nt know a jab from a hook and he's the bud of all kinds of ridicule in boxing forums like this for attempting on ESPN TV to debate on the subject of boxing. Skip Bayless does'nt know jack **** about the sport.
You might as well ask your average 3rd grader how they scored the fight.
:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

I can tell you why the Judges gave that to Manny, look at the odds on the fight, look at the audience in attendance what were the chances that the mexican fans put money on pacquiao? with those type of Odds I wouldnt be surprised of the Flips put a little money on Marquez as well.

 

there's been bigger robberies but imo you couldn't make a case for Pac winning more than 4 rounds.....I had it 9-3 so yeah it's arobbery but not of the Campillo vs Cloud/Abril vs Rios/Lara vs Williams calliber.

 

I just highlighted it right there.
*******s feel better and brace on to the fact that there's been bigger robberies in the past, and because there's been, it does'nt make Marquez-Pacquiao 3 one! nut:nut

The first thing I did after Marquez-Pacquiao 3 was completed was voice my scorecard 10-2 to Marquez and exclaim, "I could not find one clear round to give to Pacquiao!"