Scorecard with no sound and slow motion viewing

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  1. reptilian777

    reptilian777 Active Member Full Member

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    1 Bradley Busier
    2 Bradley Busier
    3 Draw No one did enough clearly
    4 Pac Appeared to stun bradley
    5 Bradley Appeared to stumble at times but gave better back
    6 Pac Busier and stunned bradley
    7 draw pac getting energy but missing a whole alot
    8 pac
    9 draw pac was busier and landed clean punches but bradley
    kept coming back pressing pac into the ropes and
    snapped pac's head back more often
    10 bradley clearest round of the fight
    11 bradley pac missing all round and bradley using awkward defense
    12 draw no one clearly won this round


    117-115 bradley


    SOME THINGS TO CONSIDER

    - People need to start scoring rounds 'EVEN'. If there is no clear winner don't just pick something they did that you preferred it just simply is round no one won

    - Turn off the sound, the crowd cheer for all of pac's punches the commentators comment on how fast pac is and how much energy he has but being those things shouldnt automatically give you an edge.

    - Pac's punches look like machine gun fire they are blinding and look damaging but they are not landing in sow motion.

    - After the 7th round the punch stats had Pac landing 158 punches, in slowmotion he had landed maybe 10-12 definining head snapping back punches and the rest grazing or block punches can be counted in double digits.

    - Bradley does not have much pop but do you favour missed punches that look powerful or punches that are landing on the arms, head and body that aren't as powerful?

    - Bradley has real awkward defensive movements, very jerky like, the first time watching the fight i thought he was getting tagged all night but upon second viewing his defense was incredible, he was hardly getting hit clean

    - Pac is an amazingly hard punch if he hits you, your head snaps back and you get stunned most of the time, this did not happen either 250 times or 50 times Pac landed maybe 25 defining punches, Bradley probably the same at less power, but who is touching the other one up more of the time, who has the ring generalship?


    On first viewing I had thought Pac was winning, during the round by round i was cursing Bradley it looked like he had no punch resistance an was getting outworked. The judges did an incredible job to be able to objectively look at this event unbiasedly and give pretty reflective scores, these judges are so seasoned they can see missed punches from Pac and judge other factors other than energy and flair. If we compare this to the marquez fight, Bradley's face was much less swollen but it appeared at first watch he was tagged alot more, the judges saw better then we did and Bradley's face at the end showed how well defensively he did.
     
  2. sabor

    sabor Active Member Full Member

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  3. straightXed

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    Although I had money on Bradley (woooooooooot!), I scored the fight to Pac who took enough lead in the middle rounds.

    I wholeheartedly agree with even round scoring though. People seem scared to give even rounds and automatically give them to the bigger name fighter (e.g. Mayweather and Pac) based purely on hype.

    I also think punch stats mean ****! As is the case with most of Pac's fights. He blasts ugly combos at speed but they're always off balance and miss...the dumbasses count them as landed punches.

    Anyways, the fight was mediocre. I am impressed with Bradley's demeanor though. Truly a professional and role model for the young ones.

    Can't wait for Arum to **** off.
     
  4. godlikerich

    godlikerich Active Member Full Member

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    You have demonstrated by scoring rounds for the 'busier' fighter or the one that made the other miss more that you fail to understand the rudiments of scoring a fight. I've said it before and I will say it again. The first thing to look for is who lands the harder, more effective shots on a more consistent basis over a round. This is effective aggression - it doesn't matter if you are moving forward, backwards or sideways - clean, effective shots win rounds. If that is even, then you look at who 'controls' the round with ring generalship. I.E. who is controlling where the fight is fought, who is making the other guy do what he wants and make him miss. Only if you still can't separate the fighters then do you go on the busier guy - pure aggression. In nearly every round Pacquiao landed the more effective, harder and telling shots at a higher level of accuracy and consistency than Bradley. The fact Bradley made Pacquiao miss and was busier in a few rounds is neither here nor there when he landed less, far less frequently (Pacquiao had a better defence than Bradley - he made him miss more anyway) and with far less effectiveness. Poor, poor decision based on Bradley being more active. It was the complete opposite last time, when Pacquiao was more active and won the fight based on activity when Marquez landed the more effective punches more consistently and should have won. Here though, 117-111 Pacquiao.
     
  5. Slothrop

    Slothrop Boxing Junkie banned

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    This. Fight was a goddamn robbery.
     
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  7. lewishamboy

    lewishamboy Styles Impetuous Full Member

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    ****ing hell, anyone that scored this fight for Bradley should never watch boxing again and should be utterly ashamed of themselves
     
  8. Peppermint

    Peppermint Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I disagree, even round scoring should only be used in a round that either there is very little action at all like a feel out round, or a round that a fighter is domintating but goes down in a flash knockdown. A good judge can determine a winner or a round even if it is very close. Theres a lot of criteria to determine who won a round and most of the time an even round is a cop out when there us any kind of action.
     
  9. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    busier doing what? it wasnt landing punches.
     
  10. Boxmaster

    Boxmaster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I had Bradley winning the 12th for sure but some people think Pac won that.
     
  11. reptilian777

    reptilian777 Active Member Full Member

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    Pernell Whitaker and Roy Jones Jr seemed to win alot of rounds being less busy than their opponents and making them miss. If you watch the fight in slow motion Bradley's gloves land on Pac's head, arms and body more than Pac's gloves land on Bradley, add that with superior defense and ring generalship and activity.
     
  12. BB Boxer

    BB Boxer GoldenGlove competitor Full Member

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    The fighter who did not land one clean punch won the day ! What a ****ing disgrace. Marquez Pac was a robbery and this is another one. Boxing loses both times.
     
  13. sabor

    sabor Active Member Full Member

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    Ok.
     
  14. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    thanks
     
  15. reptilian777

    reptilian777 Active Member Full Member

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    Are you serious? Every time they stood and traded Bradley was countering with wide shots that were clipping Pacquiao clearly