I've been practicing it and using it during sparring and what I find weird about it, is that it works great against some people who do nothing but hit your shoulder but other people manage to still hit you clean in the face. Is it really that situational if your name isn't Floyd Mayweather? I mean I've only been practicing it for like 3 months and have far from perfected it but it still seems pretty situational. I mostly use it when my jab arm is tired (My normal style is southpaw and constantly have my right hand up to deflect punches and constantly jab/feint my opponent)
You'll get hit from time to time, same as any boxer with any guard. Timing the roll is really important, and if you lean backwards, lifting the forearm/elbow to deflect a punch is also a good idea. Jabs can be a pain, and when you get timed or duck after a feint, it's not uncommon for an overhand right to find it's way over the shoulder.
Have to say it's perfect against kids who go ape**** on you since they think they are mike tyson. Absorb/roll with my shoulder and then jab them with the hand at my waist which they rarely anticipate.
if your opponent is Orthodox ,when he jabs try (parrying) pushing is jab left with your right leaving him wide open to follow throw with the jab ,,its a quick punch but very affective try not to used the shoulder roll to often it gets predictable for the double jab,,,so when you do us it commit to the counter punch with a straight left
Ive tried to use the shoulder roll a lot in some fights, seems to go one of 2 ways for me: 1. the guy throws single shots, or a 1 -2 hook ect, i look badass and roll them all. 2. the guy throws multiple combos, manage to avoid the first couple of shots,next couple tag me hard though. Go caught last week in training with a 1-2 step in 1-2, first 2 i blocked and relaxed feeling like Floyd Mayweather, second 1-2 taged me square in the face LOL
Here's an old post I made on the 'philly shell' style, which covers the shoulder roll too: "The 'philly shell' is quite a complex style with so many subtleties and variations that it's very hard to break down. It is often refered to as the 'shoulder roll defense' because the shoulder roll is one of the defensive skills that is incorporated by most boxers that use this style. Since most of the interest in this style is from a defensive stand point, I will start with the defensive benefits of using the philly shell. The first defensive skill I'll talk about is the shoulder roll. The shoulder roll is very effective for defending against the orthodox right hand, specifically the straight right. Not only does it ensure that the chin is well protected from the shot, but if executed effectively, it sets up clean counterpunching opportunities. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAC6o9420fc[/ame] 3:10 (3:17 for slow motion) shows perfect execution of the shoulder roll by Mayweather. Not only does he protect his chin and deflect the shot away with the shoulder, he comes back with a nice short shot of his own, which Mosley is wide open for. With the shoulder roll, the orthodox fighter will turn his shoulders clockwise as the punch is anticipated and as this is done, it also takes the right hand out of the opponent's sight, which makes it a lot harder for them to defend against a counter that they've already been opened up for. The natural movement of the shoulder roll also allows for a great weight transfer when throwing the countershot, because the weight is transferred onto the back leg. Further examples of the shoulder roll - counter right hand being executed: [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDrFQtbM2rc[/ame] Another defensive benefit of the philly shell is that when a fighter is backed up against the ropes, because of the hand position, they don't restrict their own vision and this allows them to parry, slip, roll and counter against punches. A few examples of this: 8:25 [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl50iVr25R8[/ame] [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQjBDsHOpv4[/ame] Due to the hands are held in the philly shell, so many defensive moves can be executed with minimal effort and energy expenditure. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqOJp9Wmayo[/ame] At around 1:45 Floyd Mayweather demonstrates how with very, very small movements shots can be blocked and present huge counter opportunities. Making the opponent overreach is a huge benefit of the style also, as this effects the balance of the opponent as he throws his shots. Another thing about the style is the fact that you appear to be so open to shots and with subtle movements and change in angles, you can draw the shot you want. For example, just squaring up a little bit can draw the right hand and you've set him up for the shoulder roll. When people get frustrated with limitted success to the head, they often try to attack the body, which again remains generally well covered because of the position of the left hand/arm and right elbow/arm, obviously made do-able because of the reliance of the lead shoulder to protect the chin. You can see it so often where a fighter will get sick of missing the head so just try and hit the body for the sake of it and leave himself horribly open to bodyshots and uppercuts himself." Inb4tl;dr.
not really sure what the question is but shoulder roll in the title means this clip is relevant. start from 2:32, perfect counter right off the roll. wasn't even a hard shot, just delivered it and Griffin didn't see it coming. Slow motion replay at 3:29 [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVKxp-2M0e4&feature=relmfu[/ame] every Toney fight is relevant. also check out Holyfield especially against Mike Tyson, and all the other old school guys, Jersey Joe Walcott, george benton, pretty much most of them.
It works well with good head movement and footwork. But if you have little experience, the shoulder roll is a easy target for novices.
your so dumb, what makes you think you can use the shoulder roll correctly? Copying Floyd is not going to get you where you want to be and also if you look at floyd during fights and when he is on the ropes using his "shoulder roll" he looks like he's about to crap his pants you can pretty much see fear in his eyes. you want to know how people will be able to counter you? they'll get you on the ropes feint you throw a punch most likely a uppercut or left hook if it's a uppercut they'll block it with their glove if it's a left hook they'll block it with there right arm then after your opponent blocks your right uppercut your wide open for a left hook to the face if you throw the left hook after it is blocked they'll most likely throw a right cross with the arm they blocked your left hook with.
The fact that the 'philly shell' or whatever name style is seemingly so discouraged because it's seen as "copying Floyd" is quite sad. Try it out, if it works for you, great, if it doesn't, so what. What people don't seem to realise is what a shoulder roll is, it in itself is not a style, it's a defensive skill, the same way moving your head is a defensive skill, not a 'style' so to speak. I also have to laugh at people that say "your so dumb"
I can only really use the shoulder roll defensively when I'm much taller than the opponent. Harder for them to arc the punch over my shoulder. Other than that I just use it offensively to hide my right hand.
