Should a television judge be implemented?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by megavolt, Apr 15, 2012.


  1. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    Often times cries for robbery are substantiated by what the vast majority of viewers see with their own eyes, which is through the TV.

    Should they implement a judge who watches the fight only through what is being telecasted and give him a separate scorecard? Are there any inherent risks involved in doing so?

    Post your thoughts
     
  2. Dembek

    Dembek And the new... Full Member

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    They gave monitors to the UFC judges and they robbed some dude still. LOL
     
  3. Bobdigi

    Bobdigi Well-Known Member Full Member

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    the problem is not that the judges cant see whats going on, it's that they're corrupt!!

    Rios for example had no chance of ever losing that fight unless he was brutally knocked out... they were matching up marquez next to make more money off the public and that was alwasys gonna happen....
     
  4. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    thats ****ing bull**** spewed by simple minded fools...shut up
     
  5. themoffster

    themoffster Member Full Member

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    The problem is most people are swayed by the commentary. Next time a big fight is on live mite the tv and watch it. You'll score the fight differently.
    A judge having a monitor won't make that much difference unless they hear the commentary. If they do you would be as well lettin the commentator score it.

    Either way it's part and parcel of the sport - just like bad refereeing decisions in football
     
  6. No10Point

    No10Point Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I have felt that the judges and commentators should be viewing closed circuit TV with the same TV feed as the viewers. Or maybe 2 sides continuously. That way scores will be more inline.

    Also take away the 10 point BS.
    1 point for the win of a round. And 1 extra point per knockdown. ONLY 1 - not 3 (1 per judge)

    I cant stand this BS of a guy dominating a round to get knock down to get up and still remain in control only to have them say he lost the round and have it scored 10-8 ...
    1-1 should be it!
     
  7. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    doesn't being there live give the judges the rawest account of the fight? I understand that camera recordings can help them see it from other angles
     
  8. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    First fights can look different at ringside compared to TV. The advantage of ringside is getting the raw "uncut" action, you can differentiate a soft power punch to a hard one, you see as the round flows, the disadvantage being watching it from a certain angle and maybe being affected by the atmosphere. TV's advantage, in HD, would be getting the best angle of the action all the time, but that is misleading, because there are ways of favoritism via editing and camera angles, plus depending on technology is a little risky and limited only to televised fights.

    It's not the how but the WHO boxing's judging problem is, most of them are so incapable, unaware of judging criteria (clean effective punching), sometimes bored and often caught by atmosphere that it's a miracle they score properly when they are actually trying their best. But then comes the favoritism and bias, promoters have influence over judge selection and judges like 5 star hotels and hookers too, one doesn't have to be "bought" to work for the promotion, he/she can "offer" his/her services so he/she gets called again.

    The MINIMUM ABC should implement in the US is INTERNATIONAL JUDGES EVERY TIME, organizations, commissions should do advanced scoring seminars and advanced exams to see who's fit and unfit to decide a round and redo exams every couple of years, and under no circumstance promoters should be allowed to have influence on official selection, nor at any time they should be allowed to be even in eyesight of the officials. Supervisors / commissioners should also be very clear before fights what scoring rules are and remind the officials they are not here for the hotel and hooker services. This all would however require more money, more time and actual willingness from commissions, organizations and promoters, but they are all financially interested in the cash cow's winning, so it's never going to change, at least not in the positive way.
     
  9. dodong

    dodong >>PACQUIAO Full Member

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    use tv replays to over rule or confirm a kd would be beneficial to maintain fairness.
     
  10. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    The three judges at ringside see all they need to see to correctly score a fight. The problem is, some of them are swayed in favour of one fighter over the other. That is what needs to be looked at.

    The only other suggestion I have is headphones or special sound booths that drown out the influence of the crowd. The downside to that, however, is that the noise from inside the ring will be blocked out, too. Some judges may like to hear the sound of the gloves to help gauge the effectiveness of punches.
     
  11. jaymon112

    jaymon112 MARVELOUS Full Member

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    Yeah they should use TV replays like FIFA does in the world cup.
     
  12. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    Bump, since its relevant
     
  13. jeffjoiner

    jeffjoiner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lederman gave the worst card of the night.

    That said, a judge watching the broadcast on a monitor will have the advantage of seeing up close camera angles. When watching the fight from ringside, a judge often has an obscured view depending upon where the action is taking place.

    In the case of a fighter throwing, and missing, several shots in a combination, a TV judge will likely have a better view. A live judge sitting across the ring may only see the back of the fighter throwing the punches and not whether they landed cleanly or not.

    "Workrate" fighters would probably suffer from this type of set up. Defense and accuracy would be more rewarded.

    This is a pretty good idea.
     
  14. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    98 percent of people believe Manny won the fight.

    Lederman had Pac winning the fight.

    so how can it be the worst card? when it gave the correct winner? :D
     
  15. jeffjoiner

    jeffjoiner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :patsch So much fail in one post.