Why was a smart, prime fighter unable to outbox a down hill Pac?

Had those guys EVER utilized footwork they would have never gotten the fight with Pacquiao.

They're trying to shoot down the rematch, but maybe if timmeh promises to keep the wheelchair..

 

:rofl:roflatsch

 

He has no punching power, at all. This is why he lost, he could not keep Manny off of him.

 

Bradley has obvious flaws, his power punches can be wide and sloppy and he was exposed very early on by Pacquiao. The only reason he didn't get knocked out was because Pacquiao has lost his legs and become more flat-footed. Bradley was only able to box effectively once Pacquiao had become tired in the late rounds from bashing Bradley's face in.

 

:yep:yep

 

Cuz you're blind.

 

Clottey, Bradley and Mosley are all the same - and I am not talking about their skin color.

 

There's basically two things that differentiate good fighters to the Elite; Natural Talent and Hard Work.

The 2 best fighters of the last several years (Manny and Floyd Jr.) have both. It's what propels them to the very, very top of the boxing food chain, why their names have been synonymous with 'Pound for Pound' for years, while no other names are being mentioned. These 2 fighters are on a whole other level that other fights can only look up at and wish they were good enough.

Even a fading Manny, it hurts my heart to say it, made Bradley look just above average. Mayweather has also lost a step in the fight against Cotto, still won a convincing victory.

 

He had a good right hand to the head and body too, which Pac theoretically shouldn't be able to overcome. It's due to Pac's superior footwork and ability to achieve outside lead foot positioningc(despite Tim's own movement). Bradley's right hand was completely absent for this reason. He circled out, but never close enough to get some offense going and prevent Manny from hopping rightwards again. People continue to underrate Marquez's ability to use well-timed in-range lateral movement and focus on Manny's weaknesses rather than Juan & Erik Morales' strengths.

 

Pac may not be on decline, he won fight, judges robbed him. If he got decision he deserved, people would say 'He's back!" and that he is still great.

 

You don't know ****. He is a fraud *****!

 

Bradley clearly won the fight.

Bradley also beats Prime Pac who fought Hatton at 140 and Cotto at 146

 

Who the **** told you that? Where did you learn how to keep someone in the corner or on the ropes? You use your fists not your feet. If I respond to someone trying to escape to the my left with my feet I have just opened up an even larger escape angle to the right. If he is trying to escape you use your body punches to cut him off not your feet. Whatch here.

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Do you see how Chaves responds to Comacho's movement when he is trying to get of the ropes? He hooks to the body. Keeping them on the ropes is about in fighting. Chavez was a great infighter so he is considered to be one of the best ever at cutting off the ring and banging people on the ropes.

I specifically posted thsi video from last rounds of Chavez-Camacho to prove another even more important point. Camacho is beaten and just trying to make it through the fight but Chavez cant finish him off. Does taht sound familiar? Despite Chavez being one the best ever at keeping his opponent on the ropes he couldn't keep a beaten Comacho on the ropes long enough to finish him off. Everything you have said about Manny I could say about Chavez using the last rounds of the Comacho fight as evidence. I could scream 'Comacho exposed Chavez' 'Chavez cant cut off the ring' 'anyone with any footwork neutralizes Chavez' 'Chavez STILL couldn't cut down the ring and impose his will'.

Now I'd be laughed off the forum because Chavez is considered one of if not the greatest ever at cutting off the ring and imposing his will on his opponent. And rightfull so. So what was it about Comacho that made it so damn hard for Chavez to keep him on the ropes and finish him off? Well we need only look to another fight to find the answer to that, Whitaker.

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One of the best ever at 'cutting down the ring and imposing his will' couldn't 'cut down the ring and impose his will' on Whitiker or Comacho. He could get them to the ropes but he couldn't keep them there. The reason for this is extremely simple. The open angles created by crossed stances makes it extremely difficult to keep your opponent on the ropes or in the corner. And not only do the open angles make it difficult it also makes it dangerous.

Why the hell do you think that the first thing any competent trainer will tell you when they are first teaching you how to keep someone in the corner or the ropes is the importance of your stance? Not that I believe you have ever had a trainer tell you this or if you did it obviously went in one ear and out the other. First and foremost you have to close the angles with your stance. If that cannot be accomplished nothing else really matters.

When two fighters are cross-stanced the angles are naturally open. So the single most important thing to keeping an opponent in the corner or on the ropes is already out the window.

Now I can overlook this horrendous error on your part because it is so common. Many orthedox fighters simply do not recognize the importance of stance. When their trainer mentions something about stance it usually goes in one ear and out the other because they take the closed angles of orthodox-orthedox for granted so they dont give it much thought at all. But for us southpaws stance is everything. When our trainers tell us something about stance we pay attention because we dont take closed angles for granted. Our entire game is built on subtle manipulation of stance and of the open angles. As an orthodox fighter and given the ignorance you have shown here this is probably something that is as foreign to you as Dutch.

Ah yes taking the Nazim Richardson appraoch I see. Let me give you a little secret every southpaw knows. You can turn an orthodox fighter all night but you can never plant and throw when you do that. Shane found this out when he tried to implement Richardson's strategy to turn Pacquiao all night.

The correct footwork needed to both turn a southpaw and keep you in position to throw is much harder than what Richardson had Shane doing and only one guy has ever been able to consistently win that footwork battle against Manny, JMM.

 

simple really-

Pac= Elite level fighter

Bradley= good fighter but not in the elite class (only a few are)


also Bradley's featherfists allowed Pac to show him zero respect and although he's a smart fighter in that he's good at taking away what opponenets do best he's not a slick fighter whatsoever.

Old blown up Marquez had no trouble outboxing him tho....cause he's also ELITE

 

Tim won. Wheel With It.