If Adamek beats Chambers does that mean Vitali has a better win than Wlad?

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  1. Manning

    Manning Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Last weekends result makes the cv of both brothers a little bit closer now although Wladimir is still miles ahead. Due to the close nature of the fight between Chambers and Adamek (which Adamek won) clearly Vitali's scalp over Adamek is not better than his brothers wins over Byrd, Chagaev and Peter.

    A win over Adamek now in todays money for Vitali is now clearly a better one than his brothers over Ibragimov, Chambers, Haye and Mercer.

    Looking at who both brothers have beaten recently it looks like Vitali has beaten all of the better young names out there who look like they're about to have a big year. I'm talking about the likes of Solis, Arreola, Adamek and Kevin Johnson. I can see at least one of those having a major say yet in the destiny of the division. That's really going to pump up Vitali's own cv when he's retired. The plodder Chisora might even upset Haye in a few weeks which would really shake things up and make for interesting reading of the brothers cv's
     
    Manning, Jun 18, 2012
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  2. damian38

    damian38 BigDramaShow Full Member

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    I'd like to see Wlad vs a determined Kevin Johnson, would be great in my view
     
    damian38, Jun 18, 2012
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  3. Robney

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    He might be 2-3 in his last 5 after the Haye bout :hey
    But we already know Wlad vs Chisora won't happen soon because of the events at Vitali vs Chisora.
     
    Robney, Jun 18, 2012
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  4. DrMo

    DrMo Team GB Full Member

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    :lol: at the usual Klithuggers trying to polish the turd that is Vitali's awful resume & make it seem respectable.

    Adamek is a poor HW & Chambers beat him easily with one arm. Fat Sam Peter is still Vitali's best win.

    Wlad's best is Byrd who is better than anyone else either brobot has beaten
     
    DrMo, Jun 18, 2012
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  5. Manning

    Manning Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Adamek has a clear edge in résumé over your boy Haye now. That seems to leave you in a melodramatic mess. That's not good. You have to much of an emotional attachment to that man.
     
    Manning, Jun 18, 2012
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  6. DrMo

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    Using twisted logic to boost K2 after an embarassing performance by Adamek :patsch

    Then trying to use that same disgraceful fight to make Glassamek's record better than Haye's, which it clearly was before that awful decision.

    How do you think Haye vs Adamek, current or prime, at HW or CW goes?
     
    DrMo, Jun 18, 2012
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  7. itsa huge bitch

    itsa huge bitch Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    sorry manning..going to have to pull you on this...it may say adamak won in the books..we all know chambers was the man in this fight
     
    itsa huge bitch, Jun 18, 2012
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  8. Manning

    Manning Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I suppose Chambers vs Adamek gives us a good indication of how Haye vs Adamek would go. With Chambers we have a slicker, better balanced and defensive fighter than Haye. Both men have a similar punch output. Haye of course carries more power.

    The fight is going to be close. All these posts by certain posters that one or the other is going to KO the other inside a round or that one will win by a landslide on points are not to be taking seriously. I think Adamek with his solid fundamentals and a decent beard could be considered 50-50 against Haye.
    Aside from a heavy right hand and decent on the back foot defense what does Haye have? Haye's jab is average and balance is well below elite level.

    Both Ruiz and Mormeck tagged him repeatedly with jabs and right hands, the performance against Ruiz in particular was sloppy. I consider both of these well below Adamek.

    The fight it self would likely see Adamek out landing and working Haye with Haye the more likely of scoring the knock down out of the two. It would probably go to points with the fight being won by a round or two similar to the Chambers fight. Both men could nick it by a round. If Haye managed to score a knock down or two it would likely prove decisive.
     
    Manning, Jun 18, 2012
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  9. Manning

    Manning Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I can see a case for either man nicking it or even being a draw. This fight was not a huge robbery as some are shouting. The fight was always going to end up like it did. There's very little between both fighters. Obviously that one card where Chambers won only one round was nonsense.
     
    Manning, Jun 18, 2012
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  10. DrMo

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    I wonder why you think Adamek-Haye is a 50-50 fight herr Manning? Adamek would get bombed out at some point.

    Haye is naturally bigger, faster & hits far harder. He's hurt everyone he's fought & every HW with a pulse Adamek has fought has had him hurt.

    When Adamek fights someone with superior speed, like Dawson or Chambers he gets beaten to the punch & countered with ease.

    Haye might be a sloppy finisher but against someone as slow & easy to tag as Adamek then its fairly irrelevant.

    All Adamek brings to the table is decent fundamentals & reasonable workrate, he lacks the range, power & speed to beat Haye. The durabilty which got him through wars with Briggs & Cunningham wont save him against Haye.
     
    DrMo, Jun 18, 2012
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  11. itsa huge bitch

    itsa huge bitch Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    sorry again im not agreeing with you..chambers is heads and shoulder above tomaz in abillity in the ring..with one arm he won the fight..hell the fact he hasnt fought in 14 months and still whopped him is outstanding..adamak is not a gd heavyweight and does not deserve a shot at a title because of this win..if he rematches him and wins again then by all means ill **** up..
     
    itsa huge bitch, Jun 18, 2012
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  12. Faerun

    Faerun Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Are you joking? Adamek's performance v Vitali was one of the worst Klit performances in Klit history, he was outrageously bad in front of his fans. Haye fought a poor fight with a poor gameplan against Wlad (I was ringside) but there was not a second in that fight where Haye looked half as bad against Wlad (who at this point is clearly the stronger brother) as Adamek did against 40yo Vitali. And being outboxed by a one-armed CW doesn't help either. Or being rocked by Grant. Or not stopping ****ing bum McBride who had never gone 12 rounds before. C'mon now, don't be silly.

    Adamek would lose 10 out of 10 fights by KO against Haye. Simply a horrible match up for him. Haye'd bomb him out at CW as well.
     
    Faerun, Jun 18, 2012
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  13. PolishPummler

    PolishPummler Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    let that hate out Adolf.

    Us sub-humans are holding down a good chunk of the sport!

    Find any good Eastern Euro's you can rename lately?
     
    PolishPummler, Jun 18, 2012
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  14. PolishPummler

    PolishPummler Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    If Ruiz,Barrett,Mormeck,Valuev,Fragomeni,and Thompson can have success against there is no reason why Adamek cant either.

    There is the mythical David Haye Britards just try to pump up and there is reality.

    One need only watch Haye fights to understand.
     
    PolishPummler, Jun 18, 2012
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  15. Faerun

    Faerun Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Chakhiev (might the real deal; looked very legit v Page)
    Pirog (I thought he was hype, his performance v Ishida was good)
    Both Klits (I'm still a supporter)
    Kotelnik (semi-retired?)

    I'm not sold on Boytsov, Golovkin and so on until they face and defeat at least a top 15 boxer. Initially, I assumed Proksa had a bright future ahead of him after he tooled Sylvester. Well, we know how that turned out. Bute definitely tought everyone here a lesson I reckon. Padded records are very common in boxing. Pirog and Chakhiev, both should raise their competition soon by the way.

    And just FYI, with me living close to Poland I have tons of Polish friends and none - not one - is close to being such a ****** as you guys on ESB are. When I refer to "you poles" I refer to you dumbasses on ESB.

    I couldn't care less about ethnicity, skin, eye or hair color. I do oppose those who do however.
     
    Faerun, Jun 18, 2012
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