so Pacquiao wins on HBO poll(91%)

Marquez beat Pac, Pac beat Bradley. Similar poll numbers for both fights.

 

No...not even close. An overwhelming about of fans scored last weeks' fight for PAC. A lot of people had PAC winning even though most had the fight for JMM. Even more had the fight a draw than those who thought PAC pulled out the "W" in the rubber match last November.

There's a big difference in a close competitive fight that turns out a unpopular/semi controversial decision and a complete robbery like the one on June 9th that has produced yet another black eye for the sport.

 

Or perhaps most viewers are incapable of being objective when scoring a fight with one of the two legitimate global megastars in all of boxing and will give him far more credit than he deserves because they know he's supposed to be great, so surely whatever he's doing is great.

And the HBO commentary just reenforces that. Pacquiao has a TON of fans, that's going to skew any public poll results. The fact is he beat Bradley by a couple of rounds and loss to Marquez by a few rounds but the star factor turns that into a domination of Bradley (a guy he never put down or even had in trouble) and a close competitive fight with Marquez (a guy who landed the harder, cleaner, punches round after round).

And the real ***** of it is if you score the Bradley fight as a wide win for Pacquiao despite Bradley being the busier fighter you must do it because Pacquiao was the more effective puncher even in the last half of the fight where he was doing nothing for two minutes out of every round. But then you have to apply the same criteria to the Marquez fight which leads to Marquez winning by about a six round margin because the rounds you give to Pacquiao at the end are only because he was "busier" and Marquez "took his foot off the gas" and apparently that isn't enough reason to give a fighter rounds when the other fighter is landing the harder, cleaner punches.

 

not the same because in both fights pac has landed more punches than both fighters.

 

First are scored based on rounds. If I land 200 punches in a round and none in the rest of the fight I lose that fight. You're also ignoring the fact that compubox is a fancy name for two dudes sitting at a ringside pushing buttons. It's no more valuable a metric than my own eyes, and my eyes tell me that Pacquiao did not double Bradley in punches landed, nor did he outland Marquez by an appreciable enough margin to matter.

A glancing blow that hits mostly glove should not count as much as a solid right straight to the chin, but in compuboxland it does. If you rely on stats like that to make your case you are tacitly agreeing that you can't make a case based on the action that happened within the rounds of the fight.

 

In both fight Pac landed more harder punches.
In both fight, the champ was the one who bringing the fight to challenger instead the opposite.
In both fight the challenger didn't do enough to win.
In Bradley fight, Pac was tickled by Bradleys punches constantly landed on Pacs gloves and arms while Marquez actually counterpunched Pac. Pac won in a close fight against Marquez. Pac robbed even though he beat Bradley from post to post and put him in a wheelchair.

 

Pac lost to Marquez and the universe decided to try and rectify that by giving Bradley the win in his next fight.

He couldn't even beat a dude fighting on a broken ankle. Some champion.

 

How many bones was there again? According to timmy's manager?

 

And the Marquez Pacquiao 3 polls were very similar!

 

LOL either way you look at it Pac is 1-1 in his last 2...plus there is nothing to suggest he beats Floyd. Infact, everything is there to suggest he gets dominated by Floyd.

 

Maybe most viewers are incapable of being objective when it comes to scoring for a "mega star" in this sport....Maybe most are influenced more from commentary than what actually takes place....but at the end of the day there are a LOT of highly respected individuals who have years of experience and knowledge within the sport who aren't "Most viewers"...and they all saw the same exact thing.

It's not just the polls that are overwhelmingly one sided in favor of PAC...it's all the media coverage, blogs and quotes from anyone and everyone who saw the fight. Even BIASED folks who favored Tim can't justify the robbery that took place on June 9th....Andre Ward for example....That's Tim's boy...and he called a spade..a spade.. Even though it wasn't easy to tell the truth that wasn't in favor of his homeboy.

The fact that Manny beat Tim by A LOT MORE than a couple of rounds and the fight was given to Tim has created the awareness to the possible corruption and issues within the sport with regards to scoring. PAC vs JMM was a LOT close although the decision wasn't the most popular decision....It wasn't a robbery by any means...it was a hotly contested battle where JMM was the sharper, more accurate guy.....PAC was the busier guy who pushed the fight which a lot of judges seem to prefer.

Tim was slightly the busier fighter in his fight with PAC...but that was purely based on his commitment to throw the jab....even when it wasn't being thrown to land or damage PAC....it was just to stay busy and keep something in between himself and PAC. PAC threw and landed more power shots and he was more accurate. He casued more damage and PAC was the aggressor.

There wasn't any quantifiable category in that fight that favored Tim other than the jab......

Comparing the JMM vs PAC 3 fight to Tim vs PAC is like comparing apples to oranges as one fight was close and competitive...where the other was a one sided domination.

 

From what I recall he said Pac won the first half, Now sure you could say first six rounds but if the scores are 4 rds to 2 rds after six you can also say Manny won the first half.

in other words you are reading into what he said too much you are simply hearing what you want to hear

 

Close to 99%.


Danny Flexen, Boxing News: 115-113 Bradley
Cameron Sharpe, Boxing Fancast: 115-115 Draw
Chris Manix, Sports Illustrated: 115-113 Pacquiao
Lem Satterfield, Ring Magazine: 115-113 Pacquiao
Gordon Marino, The Wall Street Journal: 115-113 Pacquiao
Armando Alvarez, Telemundo: 115-113 Pacquiao
Jake Donovan, ***********.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Terry Dooley, ***********.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Jordan Capobianco, BoxingNews24.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Franklin McNeil, Newark Star-Ledger: 116-112 Pacquiao
Brett Okamoto, ESPN: 116-112 Pacquiao
Steve Bunce, BoxNation.com/BBC: 116-112 Pacquiao
Andreas Hale, FightNews.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Brian Arman Graham, Sports Illustrated: 116-112 Pacquiao
George Willis, The New York Post: 116-112 Pacquiao
Rick Reeno, ***********.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News: 116-112 Pacquiao
Ben Thompson, FightHype.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Tim Smith, New York Daily News: 116-112 Pacquiao
Suge Green, On the Grind Boxing Radio: 116-112 Pacquiao
Steve Zemach, The Queensbury Rules.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Michael Nelson, TheCruelestSport.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Tom Gray, SecondsOut.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Joel Sebastionelli, LIITR Box Radio: 116-112 Pacquiao
CheckHook.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
********************: 116-112 Pacquiao
Ricky Hatton: 116-112 Pacquiao
Wayne McCullough: 116-112 Pacquiao
Ken Hissner, DogHouseBoxing.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Alexander Belenky, Sport-Express.ru: 116-112 Pacquiao
Rob Day, RingNews24.com: 117-112 Pacquiao
Ryan Burton, ***********.com: 117-112 Pacquiao
Matt Youmans, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 117-111 Pacquiao
Graham Houston, FightWriter.com/FightNews.com/ESPN: 117-111 Pacquiao
Stephen Edwards, BoxingTalk.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Kieran Mulvaney, ESPN: 117-111 Pacquiao
Tim Dahlberg, Associated Press: 117-111 Pacquiao
Ron Borges, Boston Herald: 117-111 Pacquiao
Cliff Rold, ***********.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Chris Robinson, ***********.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 117-111 Pacquiao
Ronnie Shields, boxing trainer: 117-111 Pacquiao
David Mayo, The Grand Rapids Press: 117-111 Pacquiao
Robert Little, BlackSportsOnline.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Jorge Hernandez, The Low Blow.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
David Greisman, ***********.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Benny Henderson, DogHouseBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Ryan Phillips, BleacherReport.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Graham Parker, The Guardian (UK): 117-111 Pacquiao
Ed Graney, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 117-111 Pacquiao
Luis Sandoval, ***********.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Jonathan Sakti, Comcast Sports Net Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao
Richie Tomasini, Comcast Sports Net Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao
Tim Starks, The Queensbury Rules: 117-111 Pacquiao
Champ Ross, DaTruthBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 117-111 Pacquiao
Darren Velasco, 8CountNews.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Ryan Maquinana, Comcast Sports Net Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao
George Diaz, The Orlando Sentinel: 117-111 Pacquiao
Steve Kim, MaxBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Doug Fischer, Ring Magazine: 117-111 Pacquiao
FightersRated.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Luke Thomas, MMAFighting.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports: 117-111 Pacquiao
Tommy Gunn, BoxingAsylum.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Charles Farrell, No Holds Barred Radio Show: 117-111 Pacquiao
Gareth Davies, London Telegraph: 117-111 Pacquiao
John Perretti, No Holds Barred Radio Show: 117-111 Pacquiao
John Raspanti, DogHouseBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Ron Lewis, Primetime/BBC: 117-111 Pacquiao
Brent Brookhouse, SBNation.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Jake Emen, ProBoxing-Fans.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Alexey Sukachev, Sports.ru: 117-111 Pacquiao
Kevin Mitchell, The Guardian (UK): 118-112 Pacquiao
Steve Lillis, BoxNation: 118-111 Pacquiao
Nick Xouris, FightHype.com: 118-111 Pacquiao
Brett Newton, Pound4Pound.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Joseph Herron, FightSaga.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Mark Lyons, 8CountNews.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Danny "Swift" Garcia: 118-110 Pacquiao
Mike Koppinger, Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao
Gabriel Montoya, MaxBoxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Ryan Songalia, Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao
Robert Ecksel, Boxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Pete O'Brien, USA Today: 118-110 Pacquiao
John McCormick, BoxingTalk.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Victor Contreras, The Sacramento Bee: 118-110 Pacquiao
Eric Raskin, HBO/TheSweetScience.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Chuck Giampa, Showtime: 118-110 Pacquiao
John Russell, boxing trainer (Buster Douglas trainer): 118-110 Pacquiao
Rich Marotta, KFI Los Angeles: 118-110 Pacquiao
Jeff Mayweather: 118-110 Pacquiao
Ace Freeman, FightFan.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Kelsey McCarson, TheSweetScience.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Mario Cabrera, The Boxing Republic: 118-110 Pacquiao
Ramon Aranda, 3MoreRounds.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Colin Seymour, Examiner.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Nigel Collins, Espn.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Paddy Cronan, On the Grind Boxing Radio: 118-110 Pacquiao
Denzil Stone, OnTheBreak.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Phil Jay, *****.net: 118-110 Pacquiao
Geoffrey Ciani, EastSideBoxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Michael Rosenthal, Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao
Eugeny Pilipenko, Vringe.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Vadim Zhuk, Championat.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Ken Pollitt, the13thround.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Ted Sares, Boxing.com: 119-111 Pacquiao
Allen Barra, The Atlantic: 119-110 Pacquiao
Barry Tompkins, Showtime: 119-110 Pacquiao
Vittorio Tafur, The San Francisco Chronicle: 119-109 Pacquiao
Ray Markarian, TheSweetScience.com: 119-109 Pacquiao
Harold Lederman, HBO: 119-109 Pacquiao
Dan Rafael, ESPN: 119-109 Pacquiao
Max Parker, BoxingWatchers.com: 119-109 Pacquiao
Scott Sawitz, Fox Sports/Inside Fights: 119-109 Pacquiao
Leroy Cleveland, FightSaga.com: 119-109 Pacquiao
Michael Woods, ESPN: 119-109 Pacquiao
Michael Marley, BoxingConfidential.com/Examiner.com: 119-109 Pacquiao
Skip Bayless, ESPN: 119-109 Pacquiao
Among the experts above, 118 scored the bout for Pacquiao, 1 scored the bout a draw, and 1 scored the bout for Bradley.
None of the scores for Pacquiao was offered by Philippine media.
The draw score and the score for Bradley were not provided by American media.

 

clearly Bob Arum's work, he controls the media as well as the judges.

 

Bradley needs to respond to this immediately. Timothy Bradley's response *people don't know sh^t about boxin!* make it happen tim.