Why didnt Calzaghe renew his visa when Tarver, Pavlik came onto the scene?

Thats why when old and past his best he beat Americas mini tyson in Lacy and young Kessler rather than the old injured version still in the top 10 today

 

Ward, Froch, Cloud were not world champs until after Calzaghe retired.
Bute said he wasnt ready for Calzaghe or Lacy and was about 19 fights in at the time.

 

Old? Calzaghe was still near his best that I could see.

 

Yea somehow Calzaghe doesnt need to fight that somebody since Calzaghe already slapped some opponent around in Cardiff, that beat some guy who beat that somebody.

So now Ward doesnt need to fight Bute because Ward beat Froch who beat Bute?

And Timothy Bradley dont need to fight Amir Khan since Bradley schooled Peterson who beat Khan?

Or Hopkins didnt need to fight Chad Dawson, and it wouldnt have been a duck if Hopkins declined to fight Chad since Bernard beat Pascal who beat Dawson.
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Mosley > Mayorga > Forrest > Mosley > Margarito > Cotto > Mosley > Margarito > Cotto > Quintana > Williams > Wright > Mosley > Vargas > Castillejo > Sturm > (ROBBERY) Hoya > (ROBBERY) > Mosley > Mayorga > Forrest > Mora > Forrest > Mora = Mosley

 

Do you think so? I dont. His hands were terrible then. He was also slowing.
I expect you only watched the end of his career from Lacy onwards

 

Are you saying Calzaghe didnt have any good match ups when he became a career high P4P number 3 - 5 ranked Fighter?

Calzaghe was in the best position of his life, and had more negotiation power than ever before, also wand Farren was no longer in his way as he was a free agent.

He got rid of Warrren but only chose to make one fight, and he chose a shot to **** Roy Jones Jr. I still think Calzaghe's win over RJJ is a decent win because Calzaghe did the job.

Here is what fighters wanted from Calzaghe, not necessarily from 2009:-

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Any version of Pavlik would have been schooled by Calzaghe, what are you on???? :shock:

 

Noting? i respect your opinion completely, mine is that pavlik would take joe out early. Nothing wrong with saying that atall, i just disagree with people who think because hopkins beat kelly joe beats him, kelly was taylor made for b-hop, in the same way i believe joe is taylor made for pavlik.

 

Looks like plenty had lots to say with their mouths. 46 did **** all with their fists tho.

Joe was not the greatest ever, but for his era he's up there with the very best. You can argue all day with these fictional match ups, but they are all hypothetical. Just stick to the facts, he won 46 straight and 20plus were for world titles. This record is pretty impressive by anyone's standards. I doubt he ducked anyone, he's not the type. Sometimes fights don't get made for many reasons. I think Joe in the early years of his reign would have been a nightmare to get fixed up, young, dangerous and relatively unknown. If hed gone to the US earlier he could have made a bigger name for himself and then gotten bigger fights, but his promoter did not move that way.

 

And the flip side to your point here is That both Hopkins and Jones only fought Calzaghe when it was safe for them to do so, more so Hopkins who back out of a signed fight with Calzaghe in 2002

 

Ok i get ya but the pavlik your talking about i doubt would have cracked Calzaghe`s granite chin and been out manuvered and out boxed and out punched based on skillset

 

Not atall i never said that, personally, it was as good a time as any to fight hopkins. Jones maybe it was a bit late and jones was shot. Thats not really my point though, like i stated in my first post, joe really didnt have anything else to prove i think he deserved the paydays and hung them up at the right time.

 

seems strange that so many posters de-value calzaghe's victory over roy jones


when analysing roy jones career, you must distinguish between


anabolic steroid riddled roy jones = fights from before and up to the richard hall fight

clean roy jones = fights taken place after the richard hall fight












firstly we must understand why a fighter takes banned anabolic steroids in the first place = a boxer takes banned anabolic steroids because they are scared to fight on a level playing field, they feel the need to cheat to gain an unfair advantage over their opponents because they are too cowardly to fight off a level playing field without manufactured advantages.





without a shadow of a doubt, there is only roys fanboys that believe the ripped fuel bull****, its very likely that all roys best victories came when juicing, roy refused to give the IBF the urine sample they requested after the hall fight and then manufactured the infamous andro excuse. Roy was caught juicing and it took him and his people 4 weeks to come up with the "Andro" excuse.



anything roy jones achieved before the richard hall fight has a huge cloud of suspicion hanging over it at the very least.




now look at the appalling level of fighters jones faced after being caught red handed for banned anabolic steroids in the hall fight

- eric harding
- derick harmon
- gonzalez
- glen kelly
- clinton woods
- john ruiz (handpicked heavyweight, slow, no power)

absolute bog standard level of opposition - even a clean jones could beat this standard of opposition


then jones gets slaughtered when he steps up his level of competition for the 1st time as a clean fighter versus tarver and johnson

after these defeats as a clean fighter, jones again fights low level opposition, just like before in his disgraceful 175 reign and surprise surprise . . . . . . he wins

- ajamu
- hanshaw
- washed up trinidad


a clean roy jones then steps up his competition again v calzaghe and is systematically dismantled by joe calzaghe in one of the biggest one sided beatdowns ever witnessed on american soil


then jones goes back to his usual level of competition and the victorys roll on just like his appalling 175 reign

- washed up lacy
- sheika


if the performance that roy produced against lacy was from before he tested positive for banned anabolic steroids, roys fanboys would hold it aloft alongside his performances against the likes of the legendary dave talesco or 135lb bum vinny pazienza. the lacy performance was 'superman' at his very best.





so open your mind and ask yourself this - who has a CLEAN roy jones really ever beaten?

 

a khan fan once again shows that the majority of khan fans know jack **** about boxing,

tarver and pavlik wtf lol

calzaghe retired to avoid dawson, wasnt pavlik in rehab at the time anyway