The Importance of feints, especially in Marquez success against Pacquiao

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Zapp Brannigan, Jul 10, 2012.


  1. Zapp Brannigan

    Zapp Brannigan Vid... Full Member

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    In this thread I'd like to discuss and highlight the importance of feinting in breaking an opponents rhythm and setting up punching opportunities for yourself, I'll also be using it to demonstrate why I feel Juan Manuel Marquez outboxed Manny Pacquiao in their third bout. If you don't believe he did then these are certainly factors that led to the success he had in the fight.

    There is a video floating about on the net with a lot of the same content but I've used my own box nation recording to create some gifs to try and illustrate what I feel are some of the more subtle nuances of JuanMa's performance that night, techniques and tricks that go largely unseen or ignored by the wider boxing public and casual fans.


    Feinting can have many uses

    1. Testing an opponents reaction
    2. Drawing an attempted counter, which you can take advantage of
    3. Keeping your opponent off-balance
    4. Distrupting their rhythm

    The combination of all of the above, especially in the case of Pacquiao, leads to frustration.

    It causes him on occasion to abandon his defensive responsibilities at times, and get drawn out of position in his eagerness to land on the elusive Marquez.

    Manny is a fighter with a fighters heart, he is most comfortable when he is exchanging, able to hit his opponent and make use of his best strengths, his hand speed, agility, power, and stamina.

    Having all of these stymied is a frustrating experience for him and leads him to try and overcompensate and become reckless in his boxing, which leaves him open to counters

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    In this gif below we can see Marquez feinting his lefthook/uppercut to the body against Pacquiao
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    Pacquiao - expecting punches, covers up with his guard and steps back out of range. No punches come


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    Marquez again feints to the body, drawing the same reaction from Pacquiao
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    No punches come.

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    Again, Marquez continues backing away from Pacquiao, circling away from his left hand, causing Pacquiao to follow him and try to step to his right to cut him off, Marquez steps in and feints, again, Pacquiao covers up and steps out of range
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    No punches come

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    For large parts of the round, Pacquiao has been forced to follow Marquez around the ring, unable to land any punches, without any coming back at him, in between the gifs there was a period of 9 seconds with out an attempted punch from Marquez, and Pacquiao begins to get anxious, his movements become much more erratic, with much more urgency to them

    Pacquiao follows Marquez again, who again backs off and circles left

    Marquez feints

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    Pacquiao, frustrated, reacts passively, doesn't put up his guard, and stays in range

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    Marquez strikes and Pacquiao takes two clean punches, an uppercut, and a right hand.

    Pacquiao was forced to fight out of his comfort zone and play a waiting game with Marquez, who tested his patience and commitment to his defensive responsibilities (not his strongest suit)

    This is an excellent example of technical boxing and ring generalship from Marquez, who was enforcing his game plan on Pacquiao by fighting the fight at his pace, controlling the tempo with his lateral movement and feinting, not allow Pacquiao to get into a rhythm, he became mentally worn down

    I'll add some more later, due to the gifs this took a while to make so I hope someone reads it.

    Wish I posted this from from my other account :think
     
  2. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    :yep

    cool gifs
     
  3. irwin

    irwin Guest

    LOL blocked shots
     
  4. Cuauhtemoc1520

    Cuauhtemoc1520 Member Full Member

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    Feints are incredibly useful in boxing but in order for them to work, you have to have success with the punch you are initially using as a feint.

    JMM is a master at this and really set Pac up with those feints, especially taking away him right hook over the jab which is a major weapon for Pac.

    I teach feints in my gym to my young fighters all the time, even in combinations on the bag.
     
  5. prelude

    prelude Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He needs to stop fainting and strat throwing to get the win. But who know, the new winning way now is fight like a ***** and you'll win.
     
  6. AbanDaNation

    AbanDaNation ESB's Asshole Full Member

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    blocked? are you blind?
     
  7. AbanDaNation

    AbanDaNation ESB's Asshole Full Member

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    Pacquiao gets a gift decision against Marquez and Pacuqiao fans say Marquez didnt do enough to win...

    Pacquiao takes the first two minutes off of many rounds against Bradley and Pacquiao fans are screaming BOYCOTT BOXING...

    like Floyd said to brain Kenny..."WHICH ONE IS IT?"
     
  8. Rich108

    Rich108 Member Full Member

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  9. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    LOL butthurt
     
  10. Rudyard

    Rudyard **** How You Feel!! HOE! banned

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    He's a sorry troll man, its better to ingore that *******!
     
  11. Pt84

    Pt84 Member Full Member

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    nice thread and breakdown!
     
  12. Zapp Brannigan

    Zapp Brannigan Vid... Full Member

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  13. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    yeah good thread man, lookin forward to part 2

    (more of the same of jmm schooling pac please ;))
     
  14. JoeCamelTow

    JoeCamelTow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Great stuff. What a departure from all the groupie stuff that usually takes place here.
     
  15. mancat

    mancat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Dumb ass, it's obvious you didn't read the post.