Do you give Dempsey credit for rematching Miske and Brennan?

Defending against Miske is not much different from Marciano defending against LaStarza. We don't have to debate the degree of Miske's illness or how far LaStarza had declined, but acknowledge they were attractive matches in spite of the fact that Billy Miske and Roland LaStarza were going in the opposite direction to their champions who had blossomed .... and that Dempsey and Marciano almost certainly didn't take these challenges lightly.


Brennan, I'm not so sure.
A decent fighter but Dempsey beat him worse the first time than the second.
A third match was probably more justified than the second - if that makes sense.

 

So Dempsey decided to fight the loser of title eliminators? Harry Greb easily beat both of these guys, yet Dempsey chose the losers instead of the winner.

 

I don't think he was, he was dominated by Greb and lost to Miske, later ko'd by Firpo. He then was on a winning run against nobodies, with the highlight been a win over Meehan and a draw with Miske

I mean he was decent but never top5

His run coming in to the Dempsey bout wasn't impressive though and he was coming out of retirement. The prior year he was dominated by Greb and Kid Norfolk and also lost to Levinski. His best results that year were probably the win over Brennan draws against Gibbons and Brennan. HE seemingly did go on a good run post Dempsey but not really except against Gibbons who got the better of him

I think it was either a favour or a cherry pick at that stage

 

I'm not sure what evidence there was that Lastarza had declined at the age of 26. HE lost some fights granted and he wasn't the top of the division by any stretch

 

Personally, I give Jack Dempsey credit for being Jack Dempsey.

 

Not too much. They would have made for decent title defenses, if not for Dempsey's pace of defending his title barely once a year.

Dempsey had beaten Brennan very decisively already and there were several classier opponents around. Brennan had not beaten a single world class heavyweight and his performance in the rematch against Dempsey probably goes down as his very best, which doesn't necessarily look good for Dempsey.

Miske as we know was ill and coming off one of his worst stretches. He did have to beat Miske decisively at some stage in their careers though so he cannot be blamed for taking the fight. It's just that fights against the likes of Wills and Greb would've been better.

 

The Glenfiddich 18 didn't last long did it

Yes but who did Brennan go 20-1-1. Top8, I don't know, for the era I think I'd rate him below Dempsey, Wills, Tunney, Greb, Firpo, Gibbons, Norfolk. And by the early 20s I'm not sure about how he matches up with the remaining black dynamites like Bill Tate, Langford, Lee Anderson. A few years later you have the likes of Sharkey and Godfrey amongst others

To be fair Brennan gave a decent account of himself against Dempsey

Ahh so Dempsey faces Miske after his 22-1-1 run instead of when he did or gives him a rematch after he'd starched him in 3? Nah I think it's still getting some stick if not more when Wills and Greb weren't getting their shots, especially in a rematch scenario

 

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Obviously it is a positive if a champion defends against any top 15 fighter of the period, but I don't think that either bout was necesary.

Dempsey had beaten Brennan verry convincingly in their first encounter.

The first fight with Miske was close, but I think the second was a clear win for Dempsey. A third might have been waranted if Miske had still been on form, but he wasn't.

 

Interpreter please...?atsch

 

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