Do you think Judo is somewhat a misused martial art in terms of MMA ??

I would say that Judo is the more effective takedown art, seeing as you are allowed the use of your legs. Gives you a lot more options.

 

Lombard uses his judo base to stay on his feet.

I think some of the more effective throws in Judo might not be so useful in a no-gi situation. Akiyama demonstrated some beautiful trips against Shields, no slouch in the grappling department of course, so I'd like to see more of that.

Karo was ace though.

 

Yeah Judoka have to get out of the habit of giving up their back. But its very effective when adapted as proven already.

 

That's kinda the point. The opportunities for them are there. If guys had a greater knowledge/training base, they might be able to hit them. There's plenty of times I've seen guys pressed against the cage while one guy constantly drops to latch onto a single he never gets. Trips and foot sweeps of Judo would be a great addition to some guys arsenals.

I'm sorry but this is straight up bull****. 90% of the stuff they teach you probably won't be used, because you'll probably hit the first throw, trip or sweep you attempt. Unless whoever you're against happens to be a Judo, BJJ, greco or some other grappling practitioner, chances are you'll be able to drop them almost at will if you're any good at what you're doing.

Obviously in MMA that is going to change, but it's no different from the situation described above with one guy latching onto constant single legs and failing.

Where do you get this ****?

 

I am talking about Pro MMA, not a judo guy vs a bum in the street. Using Judo throws without a GI on a pro fighter is extremely difficult.


Not having the GI takes away the sleeve to grab a hold of and the lapel to grab and control the neck, which you need for throws.

Yeah, the trips are much easier done and under used I agree with that.

Judo throws arent done that often because they are so hard to execute, it is that simple.

 

RE the post Vic just quoted Primate, wouldnt it be difficult to foot sweep someone you are pressing against the cage. I know very little about Judo, so would be interested in your point of view as too how this would work From what I understand isnt this most effective n pushing your opponents momentum backwards? With a side sweep you'd be sacrificing control against the cage

 

BJJ was learned from a Japanese in Brazil.

 

Watch top level wrestlers in MMA go for take downs.

Now compare the wrestling to these Judo World Champion, and Olympic Champion Judo players trying judo throws in an MMA fight. What do you think has the higher % of getting a take down?

Hidenhiko Yoshida, Olympic Gold Medal in Judo.
Min Soo Kim , Silver Olympic Medal in Judo.
Pawel Nastula, Olympic Gold Medal in Judo.
Satoshi Ishii, Olympic Gold medal in Judo.


As pro MMA fighters their records are:
Yoshida 9 wins and 8 losses.
Min Soo Kim 3 wins and 7 losses.
Pawel Nastula 4 wins and 4 losses.
Ishii 4 wins and 2 lossses

These are the very best in the World at Judo, the top .01 % of Judo players and you can see their pro records. Does that tell you anything?

 

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Gold Medal international 2003 Judo World champion, used as a tomato can for Brock Lesnars pro debut. Lesnar had him down in 8 seconds flat, you can check the clock.

 

There are also great olympic boxers who don't achieve in the pro ranks. Guys with great wrestling/judo/boxing backgroudns who don't do well in MMA.

A great bjj practioner with even worse record than any of those guys does that tell you anything about BJJ? [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Jacques_Machado[/ame]

 

Every one of them though! All of the Judo Olympic Gold medal champions and World champions that have fought in MMA has not done too well at all. The have had disasterous careers.

Almost any man with National level (U.S) amatuer wrestling credentials in MMA has been successful. We have yet to see a World champion level wrestler in MMA. Last place in Olympic wrestling is enough to take down and control pretty much anyone they want.

 

It seems that a lot of judo guys fall in love with brawling and abandon their judo. They also seem to have a lot of natural power in their hands, so I guess it makes sense.

Rick Hawn in Bellator uses his judo well. He has learned that he hits really hard, so he uses it primarily defensively, but he is capable of this:

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Congratulations for displaying one nice judo throw. They are rare to see.That is very hard to execute. The black guy almost had his back after the bald guy threw that kick and fell, if he was a little quicker.

 

Fedor was a Sambo player and Sambo came from Judo. Kano brought Judo to Russia and the Russians combined Judo with striking to make Sambo. The Gracies learned Judo submisons and made it into BJJ.