Soviet Union Boxers

The USA has 11 world champions, I'm not sure where you got 20 from.

The difference eastern euros turning pro makes only really affects light middleweight and above. Nobody would argue that eastern euros going pro would have any significant impact below that.
So, in those weight classes (hw-lmw) 7 world champions are from former eastern bloc countries, USA has 5, rest of europe 4, mexico 1.

 

Yeah, BUT the Klitschkos have beaten or stalled the careers of the other great eastern euros, and how many ATGs can one or two decades produce anyways.

We'll say for instance the 80s had Holmes and Tyson. The 70s, Ali and Foreman and some say Frazier. The 90s had Holyfield and Lewis and some say Byrd. The 00s have the K2 and some say Valuev. The teens have the K2 but Haye is a potential to push his way into the top 20, and the decade is only starting.

I mean, how many top 30 ATG HWs can one decade produce. :think

Many think Pulev and Helenius, Glaskov and Szpilka and Mago are future HW champs. Fury and Price will be a factor as well. Right there is 7 top 10 HWs in the coming 2-3 yrs. Surely one of them will become a dominant force for the next decade. If he has 2-3 wins vs the others and mixes a couple with American legit contenders like Arreola, Mitchell, Jennings, Wilder etc.....he could become an ATG during this next generation.:deal

Lewis the GOAT.

 

They're better, and we americans will just have top become fightfans instead of nationalist nostalgia fans who DKSAB.

 

Ummm no.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_boxing_champions


Not counting the Ring belt, the USA has 16 world champs. Counting the ring belt we have 19


Lol at eastern euros saying they underachieve because of funding.

 

Btw if we count champions from all commie countries, they have 14. Still less less then USA.


Consider that boxing is at its weakest in USA in 80 years and its clear Soviets wouldnt done ****.

 

Oh and stop claiming east Euros dominate the upper weight classes.

Dawson and Ward are so far ahead of any other eastern euro fighter its not even funny.

Cruiserweight is a wash since its such a pathetically weak division. Think Chad Dawson whipping Adamek.

 

Look at the medal counts in recent years. America is not making the best amatuer fighters.


The American media made such a big deal about Jermaine Taylor and Jeff Lacy for being olympic boxers. Oh, my god they are Olympians.

Lacy was TKO'd against Russian Gaydarbek Gaydarbekov ( who never went pro) at the Olympics. Lacy was stopped for taking too many big punches, which they will do in the amatuers.

Jermain Taylor was stopped by the "mercy rule". Taylor was losing by "15 points", so they automatically stopped the fight against Yermakhan Ibraim of Kazhstan at the Olympics. Ibraim, has never went pro.

I can't understand why Ibraim never went pro. He completely outclassed Taylor.

Lacy and Taylor was hyped as the next big things in boxing because of their amatuer pedigree, despite totally getting their asses kicked at the Olympics.

 

The greats....

 

I am not ready to place Vasyl in the same sentence as the greatest of all-time, but I do believe he will be a P4Per in the next year or two.

He's a brilliant talent.

As to the question posed here, it is foolish to think that Sugar Ray Leonard, one of the greatest of all-time, would have been dethroned by anyone, irrespective of country.

However, had the Soviet boxers-- or today's top amatuer boxers from Russia ect-- turned pro, I do believe a number of them would have earned titles at various weight classes.

Take today's performers, for example. Does anybody doubt that featherweight boxer Albert Selimov would not make an excellent pro?

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Similarly, does anybody doubt that current world #1 Misha Aloian (52Kg class) would not make for excellent pro??

 

I would.

The best amatuer in the world and a furture P4Per, Vasyl Lomachenko, will campaign at either 130lbs or 135lbs in the pros.

Misha Aloian (52kg) would also make an excellent pro, as would Albert Selimov.

 

Well, so far former eastern bloc boxers haven't had a big impact on the lower weights, and at the moment all the champions are above that.
I'm not saying that couldn't change though.

 

There are 11 american title holders. If you think differently, then list them.

 

Boxing is a sport in which most of the strongest nations did not compete professionally for a long time, so it is amazing to think that people believe had the best boxers from those countries turned pro, they would have had no impact on the professional scene.

 

USA and latin america combine for nearly 50 world titles. If we count tge Eastern euros they represent barely a quarter of that.


Outside the klits eastern european impact has been nominal.

 

Great Post Chitthumbsup

I 100% agree with you when you say 'giev it time' and how guys like Pulev and Szpika are future HW Champs.
Now can they become ATG Talents like the Kbros? I personally think it's doubtful. But Hall of Famers for sure.