How do champions get away with this type of title challanger?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by MMJoe, Aug 7, 2012.


  1. Squire

    Squire Let's Go Champ Full Member

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    Was his big showdown with unbeaten Steve Ketchell (0-0) an actual fight?
     
  2. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You shouldn't trust BoxRec for everything, and if you do, atleast do enough research about the boxer you're talking about by opening up his bio page.

    Here is what it says about Steve Ketchel,

    "Career -- 1925 to 1932
    About 40 pro bouts"

    http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Human:12122

    Obviously he was no more than a journeyman at best and a late substitute, but considering that Louis fought the very capable Bob Pastor only 2 weeks later, you could hardly ask him to take on a top contender on a couple of days notice.

    Alvaro Rojas, as Senor Pepe already put it, was also a legitimate professional who had beaten a former world champion, challenged for the world title and did well. Duran did make him look like a complete bum though.

    Whitaker and Chavez fought terrible stiffs (who actually had barely any professional fights) in between the big fights yet they got away with it.

    It's just that with the likes of Mayweather and Pacquiao fighting barely once a year, they obviously don't get to fight anybody but the very best. Otherwise it would be an even bigger farce than it is today.
     
  3. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ali, vs Leon Spinks (who had seven fights), ....and fkin' lost.
     
  4. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Steve Ketchel after 2 rounds with Joe Louis:

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  5. Squire

    Squire Let's Go Champ Full Member

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    Fair enough. I can't really argue with that.
     
  6. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't believe Louis's fights with Ketchel and Davis were even listed on his record in the beginning. He had far more serious exhibition matches against seasoned professionals who were actually rated highly which are not listed on BoxRec.

    One such example:

    http://www.gettyimages.fi/detail/video/news-footage/mr_00025063

    The KO of Roscoe Toles in the 6th round is another one.
     
  7. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I've always been under the impression that, unlike with the lighter weights, any heavyweight champion that fights in a sanctioned bout is putting his title on the line as there are no weight limitations.

    A welter can fight at 154 pounds and thus not risk his 147-pound championship. But a heavyweight is always fighting in his weight class, thus the belt is supposed to be on the line.

    Which brings an interesting question, as it probably has, indeed happened at some point: when was the last time a heavyweight champion fought a non-title fight that was not an exhibition?
     
  8. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I looked this up some time back when I saw it appear in boxrec. The newspaper writeup on this bout stated very clearly that it was an exhibition bout and nothing more. It was not a sanctioned bout and if Davis by chance scored a KO, he would have about as much claim as if a sparring partner KO'd Louis in the gym.
     
  9. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Maybe the fact that Ali had defended his title a few months earlier against Ken Norton prompted the WBC and WBA to cut Ali some slack? Something you could never be accused of.:lol:
     
  10. Senor Pepe'

    Senor Pepe' Boxing Junkie banned

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    The World Boxing Organizations, cutting Muhammad Ali some 'slack'.

    This was 'The World Heavyweight Championship of the World'

    It's not supposed to be a Game with the World Champion facing a
    'minor league prospect'.

    It was at 'one time', the most prestigious title in the world.

    What's next, Muhammad Ali fighting a Japanese Wrestler. Oh wait a second, wasn't that done already.:yep