Clay-Liston I / Was it fixed?

Because,,,,,,,,,,,,,Cassius Clay was 'not' blinded.

It was all part of the 'ruse'.

And those weren't hard body punches that Sonny was throwing
at Clay in Round 5. It is very easy to 'pull' punches like that.

 

Well the rematch is what it is.

But c'mon guys, the first fight? Are you serious? I had the impression that Liston had no ****ing clue what do against such a slick mover.

Liston had wins over Williams, Valdes, Foley, Patterson (won the gold medal as middleweight), Machen.... But Clay was a complete different breed. He was at his absolute best at that time.

 

It was a very unsatisfactory and farcical event that the mainstream revisionist history has done well to clean up.

Not necessarily an outright fix, but a pathetic affair for sure.

 

Almost everyone at the time interpreted the blinding incident as an accident - either Liston's liniment for his cut got directly into Clay's eyes via CLAY'S gloves, or something accidental in the Clay corner.

Only Clay himself said "his corner are dirty", Angelo Dundee said he didn't think so.

 

I'm trying to figure out that 'delayed action liniment'.

Lets see, Sonny chases Cassius for 3-minutes of Round 4, landing an assortment
of medium left jabs to the face.

Cassius moves very well, and fires off snappy left jabs, which land.

During the round, there was 'no blinking' or 'squinting' from Clay, and not one complaint
to the Referre Barney Felix.

Not once did Sonny, jamb the heel of his glove into Clay' eyes, and there was no
contact from a clinch.

Then, miracously at the end of the Round, with the 'hand-held creepy camera' utilized by the
cameraman aiming directly into Clay's corner, and with a full view of Cassius and not blocked
off by his cornerman, the cameraman and the watching viewers have a perfect view of Cassius Clay blinking.

Can somebody on this planet please tell me exactly what liniment has a 'delayed action'.

 

There is no proof either way. But to me nothing suggests that the fight was fixed. If you wanted to you could say many fights were fixed if there especially if there are unusual circumstances, the main argument being that 'you can't prove it was fixed but you can't prove it wasn't fixed either.' That's the way most conspiracy theories go, a lot boils down to personal opinion/interpration. I think the results of the poll in the case are pretty conclusive.

 

You people are ridicules, you seem to have some weird jealous personal vendetta against Ali, and act like you know for certain his fights were a fix despite having no proof. You have the nerve to attempt to tarnish his rep by saying not only were the wins fixed, but that he was in on it. Fact is Muhammad just made Liston look silly, deal with it and move to a new topic.

 

noone can provide any proof that either fight was fixed and there's no good reason for anyone to believe.

it's likt the mystique of liston is so great you can't imagine him being doubly outclassed.

 

Bill B,

Thanks for the acknowledgement.

Listen, to Announcer Steve Ellis at the end of the 4th Round.

Cassius walked back to his corner, with no apparent eye problems.

Steve Ellis,

'At this point we're going in, to look at Cassius Clay's corner.'

"We'll get that shot, right into the corner.'

It was like it was scripted. Steve Ellis was a 'quiet player' in that farce in Miami.

 

Still no proof by anyone regarding either fight?

 

The first fight was not a fix.

Liston underestimated his opponent, didn't train properly, and paid the price.

The second fight was probably fixed, though Clay almost certainly didn't know.