Relatively (to other greats) fragile fighters that are in the absolute upper tier h2h

Yes, he won that fight too though & he was past his best + it was at middleweight.... still not sure that puts him in the `fragile` class :think

Depends where you draw the line between fragile & durable I suppose.

 

Question to the OP: What do you think of Louis? Cause I've been rewatching some of his fights and I feel he could be dropped or hurt but only took a few seconds (I mean real real quick) for him to get back in the fight almost hundred percent. Either that or his technical hard-assery was so big he was textbook boxing half punch-drunk.

 

Ruben Olivares

 

Olivares is a good shout but he'd have lasted the distance way more had he not pissed about outside of the ring.

Took enough bombs that I wouldn't consider him 'fragile' but as a lock for the top 3 bantams of all time (IMO) I'd say he's a damn good shout. Saying that, plenty of top tier punchers that stopped him as well. Two many bombs taken for me to consider him 'fragile'.

At bantam, only the finest punchers hurt him.

 

McGrain? Louis fragile or not? You obviously know a lot about him.

 

Does Pipino Cuevas deserve a mention, or is that a terrible suggestion :think

 

You really don't have a clue about the sport

 

Do you know what depth of competition is? It's generally who has the more wins over contender level opponents. It's pretty obvious Wlad beat more contenders than Liston, regardless of how good you consider those contenders. You may argue (I'd disagree) that Liston beat better fighters, but he clearly doesn't have the same depth of opposition

 

I'm just chiming in to throw in my objection to this bull**** about Roy Jones.

"Oh yeah, Roy Jones was successfully hiding a glass jaw across four or five different weight classes for over a decade. We coincidentally only noticed it after he added and then removed 20 pounds of muscle in the space of a year. That's irrelevant though because there's no way those drastic weight changes would negatively affect a guy in his mid-thirties."

Seriously, it's bull****. Chris Byrd tried coming down to light-heavy in his thirties, except he was a little bigger and had been a heavy for pretty much his whole career, and the effect was even more devastating. But nobody tries to claim that the guy who went 12 with prime Wlad and Tua has a glass jaw.

 

Tiger Flowers anybody?

 

Exactly, people just love to jump all over it because when trying to pick against jones in fantasy fights and all time rankings the main things you can use against him are a couple of ko defeats when he was clearly way past his best.

I think ive watched all of jones fights, 90%+ of them anyway, and though its rare occasionally he DOES get hit with a decent punch, it cant just be coincidence that they only started wobbling and knocking him out after he was 35+ and all the weight movement etc

 

Come on man. Of course he was fragile. And of course his durability was not very good. There's no shame in confronting the reality of a fighter who was absolutely brilliant and a stone-cold ATG anyway. His chin was proven to be vulnerable again and again, there's no point in denying it, and it doesn't mean he wasn't a true great anyway.

 

Anyone here seen Hearns vs Roldan??

Classic example of his offensive brilliance bailing out his genuinely dodgy punch resistance.

Hearns was in so much more trouble before he became shot than Roy Jones ever was before he became shot, and yet Jones seems to be widely viewed as the fighter with the more suspect resilience.

 

I doubt many would disagree that Jones was past his peak, being in his mid-30s and having dropped back down from heavy, when he started at middle....not many fighters in that circumtance are in their prime.It's just the manner of the Tarver KO that gives pause i think.

After that it was pretty clear to me Jones was just shot, rather than having suddenly been exposed as having a glass jaw once he slowed a notch or two.

Jones had already slowed a few years before he beat Ruiz imo, but kept winning.

 

He should have tried to unify against Lewis for a big bag of money. He'd have gotten crushed, but he'd have made a pile of cash and nobody would really blame him for getting obliterated by an ATG superheavy anyway.