Do people really rate Roy Jones win over Bernard Hopkins?

What's ignorant is your underestimation of Don King and the hold he liked to have over his fighters.

 

oh failey.

any boxing fan can see clearly that Hopkins that fought RJJ > Hopkins that fought Joe C. Also RJJ beat him far more convincingly.

 

Calzaghe fan?
:good
Hates Roy Jones?
:good

 

Griffins retelling of the Dariusz fight is waay off. That was a decent stoppage by Cortez

 

Good win but the fight itself was horrible.

 

Your research is off the mark on a number of points

If you guys applied the same standards to fighters you like then fair enough, but you never do. It's one criteria for Jones and another criteria for fighters you like.

 

How did Roy avoid McCallum in the early 90's? I've just explained that Roy wasn't in a position to be fighting guys of that calibre pre Hopkins.

Post Hopkins, he moved up because it was hard for him to make 160, and he then fought the guy who'd beaten Nunn. Not a wise decision to make if you're a ducker.

When Roy did fight Mike in 1996, Mike was 39 and past his best.

But Roy didn't choose him to fight. The WBA put both fighters together, to fight for the vacant belt.

Roy beat some very good fighters, that had done good things before they lost to him, and who went onto to do good things after.

A guy that likes to avoid challenges, does not become a 4 weight world champion.

A guy who's scared to death of big punchers, does not go up to 199 pounds, and fight a 230 pound heavy, who'd recently beaten Evander Holyfield, and knocked him down. We know that Ruiz wasn't a big punching heavy, and he didn't have a high knockout ratio. But he was a big punching fighter to someone like Roy, who was used to fighting guys weighing in at 175. A 175 play it safe fighter, that's reluctant, does not get into the ring, with ANY HEAVYWEIGHT! It doesn't matter how good or bad the heavy is, a guy that doesn't want to face a puncher, wouldn't put himself in that position.

Now if you don't agree with that, you've got no respect for the fighters, and you've got no concept of the sport.

You need to go away and do some more research, because you have failed big time here.

Stop looking at things in black and white, and reading up on stats.

Go and watch some fights, and look into fighters backgrounds, before making these ridiculous posts!

Regards, Loudon.[/quote]


Classic Owning!:good

 

Yup. And Hopkins wasn't sick for the Jones fight either :good

 

More than they rate hopkins' win over rjj...

 

You want Lewis to fight Holmes and Foreman?

That's totally the same as ROy not fighting Benn and Eubank right?
Why didn't he fight Morrison? He did... lmfao, nice self ownage of yourself regarding your total lack of Lennoxopida.
He fought Morrison and brutally beat him up for 6 rounds until the tko, Morrison almost died that night.....


Larry Holmes and George Foreman were ancient fossils coming back from retirement.. Nigel Benn, Julian Jackson, Chris Eubank, Nunn, were fighters in their FULL PRIME at the same time Roy was in his FULL prime...... at the divisions he fought in.. Jesus how is this hard to understand?

 

I think you should speak to Loudon on the subject

 

failey

 

No, no it wasn't. He was hit three times never went down, and ended on his feet. that fight was a pay off all the way.


Keith

 

Nice sack of lies and **** you fed the ignorant Roy Boys there.
You actually believe Beyond the Glory and other films like that? You do realize people lie non stop on there to make the fighters look better and their lives more dramatic hence better viewing.

Here is the truth, not bull**** lies fed by the Roy Media.

Truth:
1
Chris Eubank:
“I asked Roy Jones back in 93 on who he thought will cost him the most problems. He thought I would give him problems and one of the boxers he had reservations about taking on was me. So yes this was the truth.


2- Michael Nunn

"They offered us $125,000 and he [Roy Jones] was going to get 3 million" says Morgan with laugher in his voice. "There was no way Mike was going to take that kind of money when he was just as good or better than Jones."


Ya offering someone 125,000 as compare to keeping 3 million for yourself is a fair deal? Micheal Nunn wasn't a bum, he was an elite champion. That offer was disgraceful. A 2nd offer was never made.
http://www.secondsout.com/usa-boxing-news/main-usa-news/michael-nunn-still-second-to-none


ROY JONES JR NEVER DENIED THIS.


3- Nice making up **** of 'Roy wasn't in a position to fight guys of that caliber in the early and mid 90's.

Wasn't in a position? WASN'T IN A POSITION? The mother ****er was ranked top 1-3 from 92 onwards... He was the clear #1 by 94. That wasn't in a 'position'? I didn't know guys who wasn't in the position got million dollar pay checks. Man,

Roy was considered one of the greatest and most gifted boxers ever seen as early as 1992. By 1993-94 he was clearly in a position to fight anyone. He was considered one of the best p4p's already. For you to say he wasn't in a position at that time to fight those guys is a ****ing joke and Roy Boys cheer you on with their pathetic levels of intelligence. Sickening.



4-
'A guy that likes to avoid challenges could not have become 4 weight champion'

ROFL.. AT MW-SMW during everyone's prime years, Roy blatantly avoided
the more DANGEROUS contenders and titlists in Nunn,Benn,Eubank,Jackson, and Mccellan.

You notice they were all massive punchers? It seem Roy Roy already knew about his glass chin way before his ******ed fans did.

He took the easy route to getting titles in the MW-SMW Divisions. The only challenge he took was James Toney. It was the one time during his MW-SMW run he stepped it up and he delivered. Good for him. Great win. That don't change the fact he didn't fight
Nunn
Benn
Eubank
Mccellan
Jackson.

So all 5 of those fighters during his entire MW-SMW reign AVOIDED Roy right? All 5 didn't WANT ROY right? All 5 couldn't get a DEAL TO WORK right?
All five of them? If you say so buddy.


It's so cute how you count Roy's HW Title as a real title.:happy:happy
Roy Jones blatantly ducked Lennox Lewis because he knew a jab even from an aging fading Lewis would have killed him on the spot. Not knocked out. Killed.
Roy would have been murdered in the ring against Lewis and he knew it. SO he picked someone who's style suited him perfectly and won a fake title at HW. Good job.


Your theories are also moronic. Oh Roy fought this guy who beat Nunn. Roy fought this guy who beat Benn so that equals to Roy fighting Benn and Nunn?


Roy was terrified of even an AGING shot Benn because of Gerald.


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On Gerald Mccellan.
'I don't think Nigel Benn was the same after he did that to Gerald. I fought
Gerald once,' he says. 'He was a very very good fighter. I knew it was always going to be tough if I fought him for a title'










Roy Jones Junior had one of the most pathetic title reigns in boxing history. When Jones made the jump to 175 pounds in 1996 to challenge WBC champion Mike McCallum, Michalczewski had already been a champion in that division for 2-3 years.


Michalczewsi beat Virgil Hill June 1997,unifying the WBA, WBO, and IBF belts.


Two months later, when Jones avenged his disqualification loss against Montell Griffin, he emerged as the number one challenger.


After beating Hill, Michalczewski wasstripped of his WBA title because he was WBO champion. More boxing politics going against Daruiz.

Now here is where Daruiz gets ****ed some more.
THE IBF WANTED him to fight William Guthrie 27 days AFTER he won the title from Hill. Which means they wanted Daruiz to fight back to back title fights within a 30 day span.


Michalczewski never lost these belts inside the ring and he was the rightful light heavyweight champion during Jones’ entire reign.

 

Bernard was ranked higher by the IBF than Jones was when they fought..

funny how people are talking as if Hopkins was some unknown nobody.

Jones and Hopkins were both young professionals, in the same position, in their first world title fight. At the time, it doesn't seem like such a great win... But when you look back to what they both became afterwards, it is a great win. neither fighter lost for some time later. Both went on to legendary careers.

the fight was fought at a very high skill level, and though Bernard was not the crafty veteran he became, he was better physically, and could fight without faking low blows to get rest.

Underrated win. Catching someone right before they go on to greatness, can be better than catching them when they were already great, about to go on the downhill slide.