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Current Baby Lennox beats any heavyweight in boxing history.

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stanislove12 said: ↑

As much as i like Wlad, I agree with you... i would favor a motivate Bowe over almost anyone... the only thing i can't say for sure is how he would have handled a tight defensive fighter who punchs like a mual... he fought Holyfiled in a war but holyfield was a cruiser weight who likely doesn't punch as hard as wlad and isn't defensive.
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Holyfield had a 33% KO ratio at the HW if I remember right.
It was +-80% in the cruiserdivision, he shows what happens when most sub 200s move up in weight and fight 200+ lbs guys.
Ali his KO ratio dropped dramatically (bloated up "lhw", he fought lhw when he was 18 in the olympics), same goes for Holyfield and for frazier and for Shavers.

I don't mean to say Ali moved up in weight division, I want to say his KO ratio on 200+ lbs opponents as a 200+ lbs guy himself showed he was a heavyweight featherfist.
He certainly was good at knocking out cruisers and "light" cruisers when he was a cruiser (cruiser by modern standards) himself.

Ali KO ratio on 175-184 lbs opponents was 100%, same goes for frazier, 75% for Shavers
185-199 lbs Ali had a 75% KO ratio, frazier 100% and Shavers 93%
200-214 lbs Ali had a 45% KO ratio, frazier 55% and Shavers 80% (only one from the tree who's KO ratio remains somewhat constant up to 215)
215lbs+ Ali 33% (like a bee) frazier 45% and Shavers 47%

Holmes showed the same symptoms by being a good KO artist against 200-214 lbs opponents but his KO ratio dropping around 30% on 215lbs+ opponents.

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Chappy112 said: ↑

2 wins against Holyfield >>> anything on Wlad's resume
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judgeJAB said: ↑

Seeing as Lamon's retired and Corrie's dead, I hope it'd be a different story.
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I'd be tempted to lay a few $$$ on Corrie...

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Chappy112 said: ↑

2 wins against Holyfield >>> anything on Wlad's resume
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Yeah, you go ahead and hold those 2 wins up cause that's all he's got. The rest were handpicked nobodies. :deal

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tezel8764 said: ↑

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-uU41s9sgA
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What a fantastic, honest and truthful interview.

Thanks for posting. You are a Legend!

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Yeah, you go ahead and hold those 2 wins up cause that's all he's got. The rest were handpicked nobodies. :deal
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Shut the **** up *****. Get the **** out of my thread if you are just gonna troll. This is why people hate K2 because of guys like you who refuse to give credit to heavyweights outside of K2. It makes you look stupid.

Stop talking ****, this is a Wladimir appreciation thread and I broke down each h2h match up beautifully.

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Ok Ya. I have been convinced Current Wlad WILL lose to PRIME Tyson.

Can anyone convince me of more?

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Skittlez said: ↑

Ok Ya. I have been convinced Current Wlad WILL lose to PRIME Tyson.

Can anyone convince me of more?
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how do you think a fight with bowe and wlad would turn out?

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judgeJAB said: ↑

Seeing as Lamon's retired and Corrie's dead, I hope it'd be a different story.
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i mean the same Corrie and same Lemon as they were at the time... RIP Corrie (but i am pretty sure you knew that)

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SP_Mauler said: ↑

Troll.
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This...^

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Yeah, you go ahead and hold those 2 wins up cause that's all he's got. The rest were handpicked nobodies. :deal
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And exactly WHO has Wlado beaten?

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how do you think a fight with bowe and wlad would turn out?
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Bowe TKO2

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Hi stupid! :hi::hi::hi::hi:

Skittlez said: ↑

Current Baby Lewis will beat any heavyweight in the history of boxing.
Here are some popular match ups which I have broken down.

Convince me who can beat Wladimir. If you convince me, I will change my mind.
So Far I have been convinced that
Prime Tyson is actually a favorite against Current Wlad.

Wladimir vs Joe Louis

Wlad made a career out of destroying big punchers. Now did any of them punch as hard as Joe Joe, debatable. That being said Louis need to get inside on Wlad to win this one. If Joe can constantly land those lefts and inside combinations to the body of Wlad and some to the head, he will make it a very long night.I just don't see how Joe can consistantly do this without taking massive punishment himself though.
Wlad would be the best all around fighter that Louis fought in terms of overall power,speed,skills and ring generalship. Joe fought Buddy Bear, Buddy Bear is like a 4th grade Wladimir. Wladimir have too much a combination of size, power, skills, jab, and that big right hand for the much smaller Joe to overcome.The upper cuts Wladimir will land as Joe gets inside will be too much and too devasting.Joe will give it a great go, he is a ruthless stalker and one of the great finishers. Once Joe gets you hurt, it's very hard for you to recover. The one thing we DO see from Wladimir is that he recovers from being hurt very quickly. Outside of the three fluke ko's, every fight Wlad was hurt in, he came back stronger.I just don't see Joe's combinations,skills,power and heart over coming Wladmir's own combinations, skills, SUPERIOR SIZE, superior jab, superior power, and equal heart.

Wlad vs Larry Holmes
Let's take a look real quick.
Larry Holmes arguably had the slightly better jab. He will be giving up a slight height advantage, a pretty big overall size advantage and a slight reach advantage.
Holmes was a great boxer, and loved getting into jab battles. The issue with that is Holmes will WIN the jab battle against Wlad, that's actually a bad thing. It will force WK to unleash the beast within him and that only comes out when he feels like it. When seeing that he is being out jabbed and out pointed, WK will take the battle inside and hit Ole Larry with a variety of upper cuts and WKs the greatest street fighter of all times. Larry will not be able to understand why he suddenly have a massive cut below his eye.
WK is a 5 dem Boxer, a jabber, puncher, mover. When the jabber start getting out jabbed(something that I honestly doubt, but let's just say he does) he will become the inside puncher aggressive super fighter that he is.
Holmes getting hit with a Wladimir right hand is inevitable. Wladimir is not Ernie Shavers. Holmes WILL not be getting up.
Larry struggled with Witherspoon,Williams,Norton and Cooney. All tall fighters who could jab back at him and who could attack and impose their own size.
Wladimir is far superior to any one of those four chipmunks.
I honestly see a close jab battle, until WK start getting to Holmes on the inside and hitting him with a combination of upper cuts, ending Holmes around the 8th.

Wlad vs Ali
In regards to Wlad vs the great one ALI.

Can Wlad out box Ali?
Wlad was a very good outside fighter. He got a good left hook, did well in combination bursts and had a massive right hand. His balance is something that people over look as well. For someone thats 6566 240+, he got great balance for such a super heavyweight. His jab against a fast footed killer will be a very deadly weapon and add in his variety of punches, he was very good technically. All these points indicate Wlad had a real chance of out boxing Ali should Ali attempt to keep this a tactical fight.
Ali got blinding hand speed and great foot works. His punches werent the hardest, and I seriously doubt he can hurt a fully focused Wlad. . In h2h match ups you take the best versions. The best versions of WK would have been able to absorb any Ali punches.

What would most likely have happened
Ali got great recovering powers, he is capable of being caught though. What we do know is Wlad have definitely fought numerous punchers that hit harder then Ali, but Ali had fought only 2 fighters who might hit harder then Wlad. Weather or not Foreman and Shavers hit harder then WK is up for serious debate. People forget that Ali is honestly fundamentally flawed on defense and used his superior reflexes along with speed to get him out of trouble. WLADIMIR will eventually catch him with a thundering right hand the likes of that Ali never ever felt before and knock him out late.

Wladimir vs Tyson

Tyson was often troubled by super heavies. Even during his prime, he became easily frustrated when fighting tall HW'S.
Tyson did have freakish reflexes speed and his bob-weave style would create a difficult fight for wk.
WK in his prime though was 243-245, 6'5 and had massive strength. He will use his superior size and strength to smother Mike and take away a lot of Mike's primary weapons.
Tyson's style, was perfectly suited for WK. If the WK jab can keep Tyson at bay, it's a wide UD, with big right hands in between.
If Tyson slips inside which he is prone to do during his prime, WK can use that right upper cut or tie him./lean on him. WK s superior strength will make it really really difficult for Tyson to get any sort of inside work going and he definitely won't allow Tyson to push him back.

WK TKO 11 or UD

WK vs Rocky Marciano
Joke Fight
Rocky would have been brutalized. wladimir's size alone would have dominated Rocky.
Rocky fought his best aat 185 lbs, he was 5' 10" with a 68" reach.
Wladimir would come into this fight at 246 just for the Rock and he's 6' 5" with an 84" reach. Rocky got great heart and he will be more then willing to pay the price in an attempt to get inside on Wladimir. He will pay with his very body and soul.
This is not even a fair match up and anybody with an ounce of knowledge in regards to the HW Division knows this.

Wladimir vs Prime Foreman
This is a very interesting match up. Prime Foreman's stamina was only shot to **** when he punched himself out. Wlad can not do this and hope to survive. Wlad do not have the chin of an Ali and to be honest it's not Wladimir'S style to rope a dope.
There's two possible scenarios here.

1- Wladimir goes aggressive mode and attempt to out physical the physical beast in Young George. This is very risky because even though Wladimir is bigger and heavier, Young George could very well be slightly stronger and pack a slightly bigger punch. That being said, I trust in Wladimir's heart more then I trust in Foreman's and despite what people might think is 'advantage Foreman' I see a all out aggressive Wladimir bomb Foreman to the ground within 2-3 rounds.

Foreman is easily caught with big bombs early and the truth of the matter is, Foreman was never tested against another Super Heavy. Wladimir was tested against numerous 6'4+ super heavys. None of them were quite as good as Foreman, but his experience in dealing with fellow giants definitely give him the edge in a h2h.
2- The more likely scenario will be Wladimir impose his superior size and boxing skills to it's limits and dominate Foreman via a combination of tactics,power, and intelligent aggressiveness.
What really made Wladimir's jab tactics special is that unlike Holmes (a fighter with equal or maybe even slightly better jab) Wladimir was able to mix in a huge variety of other punches to it as he box you on the outside.
Combinations, upper cuts, overhands, he had it all and he will effectively dominant a foreman type from a tactical point of view.
One fight that really stands out for me in terms of Wladimir adapting to his opponents is Wlad vs Samuel Peter I
I know Peter is not Foreman, but we really did see this tactic against him. When Wladimir was struggling in the fight because he was not able to dominate Sam via his jab work alone, he started winning the fight based on his fighting. Upper cuts, overhands, a few power combos and Bruno was done.
We are talking about the BEST VERSIONS of both boxers in a h2h scenario. The best Version of Wladimir would have treated Foreman like a virus, there is no way Foreman could have caught Wladimir with something big. Wladimir would either tactically dominate the slugging Preacher into a late TKO

or out slug the slugger early.

Wlad KO2
OR

Wlad Tko 9

Prime Wladimir vs Vitali Klitschko
Whatever Tko6 did, will be twice as brutal and twice as fast.
Tko3.

Or WIDE UD.
Don't even need to break down this fight. W.
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And exactly WHO has Wlado beaten?
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Everyone :hey:hey:hey:hey

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Skittlez said: ↑

Shut the **** up *****. Get the **** out of my thread if you are just gonna troll. This is why people hate K2 because of guys like you who refuse to give credit to heavyweights outside of K2. It makes you look stupid.

Stop talking ****, this is a Wladimir appreciation thread and I broke down each h2h match up beautifully.
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felix stop creating Alts every month...

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