Taylors stoppage vs. JCC..One of the greatest tragedies

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  1. 4Rounder

    4Rounder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This thing has been discussed many many times. Half will say it was a bad stoppage and the other half will say it was legit.

    In the end JCC Superstar was TWO KO WINS OVER MELDRICK TAYLOR.:deal
    not just one, the guy is a legend.
     
  2. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    In the end it was Taylor who lost, in more ways than one.
     
  3. Cabannero

    Cabannero Active Member Full Member

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    In the end JCC was promoters' boy with blames on his career
     
  4. theunderdog

    theunderdog Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    there was supposed to be some kind of light behind taylor that should have indicated to the ref that in was the inside the last ten seconds of the round.
     
  5. AlonzoGreene

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    Controversial stoppage, but I don't blame Richard Steele. Meldrick Taylor didn't respond to his questioning and, from Steele's perspective, once Taylor starts looking away when questions are being asked and subsequently ignored, Steele is put in a difficult decision. Going by the rules, if the fighter doesn't respond, you stop the fight, no matter what round or how much time is left.

    P.S., Taylor took a beating that fight.

    Anyway, IMO, the Hearns-Leonard stoppage irked me more than this one. It was the end of the 14th and Hearns wins on points if the fight goes the distance. I don't think Sugar could have finished Hearns (you can see soon as he stuns him, he waves for the referree to stop it) and Hearns was still protected himself and threw a couple of shots back. IMO, that fight was stopped prematurely.
     
  6. shelterr

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    This tragedy does bother me more than any other because JCC couldn't have even landed another punch in the time that was left and Steele had to ****ing know the fight was almost over. The guy got up at the count of 6 for christsake. He wasnt wobbling and he raised his hands in the air to signal that he was ready to go. The disbelief on his face tells the story.
     
  7. Vantage_West

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    people forget about the terry norris break down of taylor was too me far more one sided. after a good few rounds by taylor norris just kept away and knew he was goign to tire...

    wouldnt you know it they came in the 3rd round with taylor starting to look a little worse for wear.

    then norris turned from the boxer mover. to the puncher swarmer....landing shot after shot on taylors chin and body and temple.

    i find this was an anilation . i agree the chavez fight was far more destructive. but this was just a fight too many he needed to stay in condition. and certainly didnt help how he is today.
     
  8. Sweet Pea

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    I'd have to agree.

    The fight between Chavez and Taylor was not fixed, though the judging was suspect. Also, the fight was not one-sided like everyone likes to claim, even though Taylor was outscoring him.
     
  9. Vantage_West

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    well usually if a fighter looks at his corner then they are knockeddown it's a bad sign so for steele he saw taylor look to his corner and not say anything except the feintest of nods.

    it would be more hyprocritical for him to let the fight go on...all one second away shouldnt of been a factor.


    but in all honesty he was up, he could of lasted for at least 30 seconds.
     
  10. joe the great

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    There was actually 2 or 3 seconds left and Steele gave Taylor 13 seconds to respond. He twice asked Taylor if he was ok but Taylor didn't respond. I was mad at first myself but after examining the stoppage it was the only thing he could do. Like Steele said he is not the time keeper.
     
  11. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Duva told Meldrick he needed the last round and to come out and fight and then years later when asked what he said he denied it claiming he said some other bull****. Duva also jumped on the ring apron when Taylor was knocked down and starting shouting at him which is why Meldrick didn't answer Steele, blame Duva not Steele.
     
  12. PH|LLA

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    imo early stoppage but like Steele said he wasn't paying attention to the clock. Not a robbery in my book in the sense that it was not a victory that was intentionally taken away from Taylor.

    Credit to Chavez because only a truly great fighter can come on so strong in the late rounds against a fighter of the caliber of Taylor and dominate him in the championship rounds the way he did. He really brutalized him.
     
  13. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It wasn't a good call because of the reasons that you mentioned. It was a good call because the fight was not yet over and Taylor was unable to continue. The rules say that you have 12 rounds to knock a guy out not 11 rounds and 2:58
     
  14. sthomas

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    Steele did his job. He is not the timekeeper. It does not matter how much time is left. If the fighter is unable to continue in the refs. honest opinion, it should be stopped if there's a minute left, 30 seconds left, or 2-5 seconds left. What do you do when there's a controversial outcome in a fight??????????? Have a rematch and hopefully have definitive outcome, and in the case of Chavez Taylor II, Chavez proved superior again.
     
  15. Tettsuo

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    To allow Taylor to continue even though he was unable to respond to the refs questions would be to rob Chavez of a legit KO. Taylor was out on his feet and unable to give a simple yes or no response. That's called a KO.