Is Nate Campbell's victory damaged by controversy?(Main Page article) Please discuss!

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  1. Lampley

    Lampley Boxing Junkie banned

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    See, this is the kind of stuff that makes me worry about Diaz, if in fact he's contributing to this nonsense. Mentallly, he needs to move on.

    I agree with the absence of the drugtesting issue, but unfortunately that isn't terribly uncommon. Were it not for the upset, we probably wouldn't even know about it. Fights that take place outside of established areas frequently have details that fall through the cracks. Just how it is.
     
  2. Nestea

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    Nope I don't see anything suspicious to be a robbery or any controversy.
     
  3. Galileo Galilei

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    Controversy :patsch Campbell beat Diaz at his own game.

    No drug tests? What's the controversy? Was Diaz on some sort of drug? Doesn't seem the type.

    Inexperienced ref? Where there 2 refs and Campbell got the experienced one.

    C'mon, those things effect both guys not just Campbell. If Diaz would have won would those things still be brought up?

    As for King picking on Diaz, I'd imagine thats not Diaz himself complaining about that one.

    Upset happens and people want some sort of conspiracy :-( .
     
  4. RealIzm

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    Thats my point...Yes these things would be brought up if Diaz had won...
    You people are truly deranged:nut
    Do you idiots know what rules are?
    They are'nt in place to be ignored
    Its the mother****ing Unified Lightweight Championship, should we even have to question why standard procedures were ignored?
    **** NO
    I'm not bashing Campbell, he came out wanting to prove he's the best and did a fantastic job at breaking Juan down:yep

    However the FACT remains that we don't know whether he cheated or not...
    Think about it ****ing Campbell gets dropped in the process of trying to clown a cabdriber and last weekend had the fight of his life...add to this the stated facts, not abiding by the rules....all adds to a bull**** victory...
    If I'm Campbell I'm going to do everything I have to do to alleviate all questions this includes abiding by the goddamn rules:deal
     
  5. theunderdog

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    the article is making it seem that the drug testing was not done for nate's sake. please not that neither of them was tested and if the writer smelled something was up, then he should address it to both parties. not just nate.
     
  6. RealIzm

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    Promoters and sanctioning bodies have been known to do shadier **** mate:deal
     
  7. cuchulain

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    Nothing shady here.

    And were you expecting classy, gentlemanly behaviour from Don King?
     
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    there was no drug tests??? wtf..... thats bull****. Every championship fight should have drug tests...
     
  9. Galileo Galilei

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    You seem to be applying Campbell was doing him some drugs because there was no tests done.

    And your proof is...............?

    His association with Don King?

    King is no angel but you got to have more than just saying Campbell fought the fight of his life and there were no drug tests to show Campbell was doping, or whatever, for this fight.

    Tests should have been done especially in a card of this magnitude.

    But are you sure it doesn't have something at all to do with the fight being fought in the big fight hotbed of Mexico?
     
  10. RealIzm

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    I'm not implying that at all what I'm saying is we don't know!!It's something we shouldnt have to question
     
  11. BlueApollo

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    Outside of the drug testing, which should raise eyebrows, what does any of this have to do with what actually happened in the ring? Promotional/ personal issues and distractions are part of the game. I think it certainly helped Nate that he was catching Juan at a bad time, but it doesn't "damage" his victory in any way.

    On the other hand, it's probably good for Nate if the general public tries to disparage this win. He's a guy who needs to keep a chip firmly planted on his shoulder to stay successful.
     
  12. Motor City Sam

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    That's what I'm thinking, too. Standards and rules are bound to be different there. While I would expect a drug test to be standard for championship fights, Mexico might not have that as part of it's rules.
     
  13. zarathustra84

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    How can boxing fans expect it to be taken seriously as a major sport when it can't even follow its own 'mandatory rules.' I think all boxing fans should protest against unprofessional behaviour such as this as it does nothing to help the sport we all presumably love. Nor should the argument, 'it regularly happens,' be accepted as a valid one. If a mandatory rule is ignored it SHOULD be an issue no matter who won, or where the fight was.

    The article does contain several flaws that distract from this very valid, and very important point however. Like others have pointed out, Campbell probably had more to complain about in general with regards to the judges and ref than did Diaz. While watching the fight I (who had never seen him fight before) began to admire the skill and determination of Campbell and by the end of the fight was basically cheering for him. Although he did appear to use his head a lot against Diaz, the cut did seem to be caused by a punch, nor did Diaz respond to Campbell's actions respond in a way that would stop him from continuing to aggrevate the cut.

    Conclusion: There should ALWAYS be drug tests and for these to have not taken place is absurd and only takes away from what was a great display of boxing by Campbell. And finally, a drug test should also have been given to the judge who gave the fight to Diaz because he must have been on some good ****.
     
  14. onepunch.net

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    We waited almost an hour in the dressing room after the fight for someone to come get a urine sample. Nate was even bitching about what was taking so long, because he had to go to the bathroom, but wouldn't because we thought they were coming for a sample. There was no "waiver" that we ever heard about. And after waiting almost an hour, we told someone from the commission that we were going back to the hotel, and if they needed a sample they could send someone over there to collect it, or call us and we would meet whereever they wanted us to. Nothing ever happened. Nate does not use drugs, smoke pot, or do coke, or roids, whatever other ridiculous allegations are going around, and we would gladly submit to a urine test, blood test, hair sample, or whatever anybody wanted in order to settle this. I've heard that the hair samples show stuff in your system for months, so even though 5 days have passed since the fight, that test would squash all this crap. And we have no problem taking it if requested. But us doing it on our own, without it being done by an official body, would have about as much credibility as Morrison's HIV tests.....lol
     
  15. stack

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    crazy post. the only controversial thing i saw in the fight was that one judge actually gave juan diaz the fight.
    the OP claims everyone was against Diaz but all the fans there for cheering for him and booing campbell like crazy.
    the drug testing is odd not to have but that doesnt change the outcome