Ray Leonard: P4P Rating over last 50 Years?

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  1. Hands of Iron

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    :patsch :lol:
     
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  2. Marnoff

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    Monzon over Leonard? No chance in hell.
     
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  3. Hands of Iron

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    Yeah..
     
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  4. turbotime

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  5. Hands of Iron

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    What? :lol:
     
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  6. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    I don't know :lol:

    What's your top 10 look like anyhow? I'm guessing some Holyfield, Chavez, and maybe some Sanchez in there? :yep
     
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  7. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Muhammad Ali
    Roberto Duran
    Sugar Ray Leonard

    I voted number 3 :good
     
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  8. Hands of Iron

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    You know, I'd really need to think about the order for that, outside of the Top 3. Which is why I can't see how SRL doesn't cut Top Five.

    I've been into divisional ratings lately over P4P, but no HW talk.
     
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  9. turbotime

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    Guessing you'll have Monzon quite high ....







































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  10. Hands of Iron

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    Monzon, Napoles, Arguello would all make it, yeah. I'm requesting some info from Henry on Napoles' run as Welter kingpin, for most of which he was already past his best, amazingly. If I rate the guy top 3 or 4 all-time, since forever, in a loaded division historically... How the **** he doesn't cut a 'Last 50 Years' list? :verysad

    Divisional dominance is going away though.. Nobody sticks around in one long enough anymore to cement much of a legacy.
     
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  11. Hands of Iron

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    No, the **** it's not. Duran > Ali. :deal :yep
     
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  12. DrMo

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    Monzon had a tremendous record against great opposition & did it without all the Leonard smoke & mirrors. He wasnt afraid of a rematch after a tough fight either plus I think he'd beat Leonard H2H.

    Clearing out & dominating a tough division is a rare achievement & deserves a lot of respect.
     
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  13. Hands of Iron

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    Yes, This!

    That is why Monzon and Napoles rate so highly for me. I've got them as Top 20-25 ATG guys, all-time. Gavilan too, who was absolutely cleaning house until the Saxton debacle.
     
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  14. Bill Butcher

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    Ali over Duran for me but no doubt both are the top 2 of the last 50.
     
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  15. Hands of Iron

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    Leonard was a greater talent than Ali for me, and he matches anybody's top shelf wins but can't compare to the overall depth of Ali 1964-78. That's likely only because he retired in his prime at 26-years-old. Then again, you could say Ali was robbed of his own peak. FWIW, he did clean out welterweight and pretty thoroughly. People tend to think not because of the shortage of title defenses. The clean out began a fair few fights before he beat Wilfred Benitez.
     
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