If YOU were Joe Calzaghe, would you come out of retirement to fight Andre Ward?

75% probably not enough to beat Froch, and would give him a 0% chance of beating Ward, which would really be the fight everyone wants to see.

 

The gap in the post Loudon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhSxpemf838&feature=youtu.be&t=26m47s

 

You come out with rubbish like this because MAJR has owned you on a subject I have schooled you on.
I cant believe after the way I dismantled you in the very same way that you would get taken in again atsch.

Please tell me who these alts are. Im looking out for talented posters on ESB

 

Joe Calzaghe is a ***.

 

Ward beats him easily. Even Froch beats him pretty handedly now.

 

Posting that same annoying video with spiked hair Calzaghe lying about chasing Roy Jones does not make it any more true..

Joe did not want to fight prime Roy... That is a fact.

That video link was ******ed... A biased video towards Joe stating he "chased" Roy for 2 years.. By doing what exactly? He did nothing....

Very easy to run his mouth, about why fighting him didn't make money sense for Roy... You know why?? because it didn't! But it could have, had he done more about it!!! Joe was a very good fighter, with no PPV name, and it was his own fault.. He could have easily moved up and forced a fight with Roy... He was too reluctant though... He knew that 0 would be in jeopardy.

 

Calzaghe speaks with no conviction whatsoever in that video. Even Tim Lovejoy was dubious and called him out by saying Roy was in a different weight class. Joe was blowing smoke, its as clear as day.

 

I am quite certain that this thread has been on a loop for weeks.:roflatsch

 

Bailey,


Part 1.

And?? So was Glen Johnson, who knocked Roy cold, 4 years earlier. I want to meet someone who genuinely thinks that Glen Johnson was a better fighter than Roy.

I'm not going to list what I think are Jirov's best wins, for you to argue otherwise. You said people rated Toney's win as great. I'm saying it was a good win. Jirov was good, and it was a good win. That's all.

Why are you arguing? I know a lot of fighters haven't. That's fine. Joe's win over Kessler was very good. But my original point, was that he hadn't beaten any elite fighters. We'll leave it there.

What's wrong with you? You are showing yourself up, by continuously bringing it up. I said I thought that....... and then you came back and said I was mistaken. Fair enough. I wasn't pretending to know, and I wasn't passing anything off, it was a question. Move on!

You could argue ANYTHING!

Even when I agree with you, you still try and argue. Eubank was a very good win. But Eubank was at the end of his career, and he wasn't at his best. That's all I'm saying.

There's no facts that have escaped me. I watched both fights live. I've agreed with your points on this. I bet you wake up in a morning, go to the bathroom, and have a full scale argument with yourself whilst looking in the mirror. Joe's win was a very good win. But I picked Kessler as his best, because he unified the division. It's all subjective.

This is where you let yourself down badly. It's one rule for one fighter, and another rule for fighters you don't like. You've asked this question, and I agree with your point, and it's hard for me to give you a name. However, you give Roy ZERO credit for going upto heavy and beating Ruiz, who was far from great, but who'd knocked down and beaten Holy, and who was effective. How many fighters in the history of the sport have done what Roy did? He was the first person in 106 years to do it.


You think Eubank going up at 32, to fight Thompson is great. I agree!

But again, you don't give Roy ANY CREDIT for moving up at 34, to beat Ruiz.

If you think he'd have fought Roy for less than a million, fine.

In this case, it's a very safe assumption to make.

Was Joe only getting 50k a fight?

Do you seriously think that when he made the comment, he was referring to thousands as opposed to millions? Seriously?

 

Part 2.

He didn't make an offer at that point, because Joe was at the bottom of his 3 man list. Murad was trying to get the Ruiz fight. All Joe was, was a small possibility until Murad came back to Roy with a definite answer either way. Tarver was second on the list, because it's a fight people were talking about, for more money, at 175. Joe was nothing more than a possibility. As soon as Murad came back with a yes, Joe was instantly forgotten about.

Roy said "I know he's wanted to fight me for a while." He said that, because Joe had told him in the pre fight build up. Roy didn't say "Joe's been chasing me hard for 5 or 6 years!"

That is relevant how??

Is the usual way, mentioning someone's name, and then not doing anything else, and just carrying on, doing what you've been doing?

Joe made the claims, and then did nothing! He continued to fight in Britain at the same weight. How was that going to land Roy, who fought at 175 in America? You can't answer me!

He baked a cake, and then took it round to Roy's farm in Pensacola.

Yes he fought Brewer too, and the same applies. How was beating Brewer at 168, going to land Roy for big money up at 175??

He fought Jiminez in Britain. I didn't mean in his garden. I was classing Britain as home. Again, beating Byron Mitchell wasn't going to get anyone talking about a fight with Roy at 175. If he'd have been as serious to fight Roy, as what you believe, he'd have moved up before 2008, but he didn't did he?

Yes, but at the time, he was hoping to fight DM, and was making enquiries into moving up to heavy.

Fair comment, but Roy fought for HBO, and Joe was unknown to Amercan fans, so it was unrealistic. Do I think He wanted 10 million? No. Even Joe wouldn't have been stupid enough to have wanted that amount. But he wanted millions rather than thousands, and I think that's obvious.

Stop being an idiot. I think you trying to imply that Joe would have possibly fought Roy for thousands, and not millions, is absolutely hilarious!

He was known to Roy. Again it was Roy's job to know him.

However, Joe WASN'T KNOWN, TO THE AMERICAN PPV AUDIENCE.

Yes I get that, but Joe was talking about fighting the best fighter in the world!

Do you think Joe was getting 50k a fight?

Do you think when he mentioned wanting the crown jewels, he was talking about 500K?


Ha! He was talking about fighting one of the best fighters that's ever lived. He said he knew what his capabilites were, and he'd want the crown jewels. If you think he was referring to thousands and not millions, then you my friend, are a complete pudding!

I never said he was a mandatory. You don't know??

Oh I think you do!

Such as, he never fought at Roy's weight or in Roy's Country til 2008.


Is that my opinion, or is that a fact?


Of course despite this fact, Joe really really wanted to fight Roy right? Ha!

 

Yeah... no. he agreed with me.

He only agrees with your divisions theory (which has been fine by me for ages, btw, when applied to divisions alone), not with your view of the sanctioning body, and its the sanctioning body that gives the division its authenticity, which he agrees with me on. IBo titles are shite compared to the major ones, however you want to spin it.

But I can see how in Baileyworld, people disagreeing with Bailey becomes Bailey winning. well done again FaileyBailey. Or should it be DailyFailey.

 

Part 3.

DM wasn't an avenue Roy explored? Ha! Apart from Roy's advisors meeting with HBO and talking to DM's advisor? Zod posted the links last week.

Yes it would have been a risk for Joe to take. We could also be sat here debating Joe's victory over DM, and his fight with Roy.

Haha!

I'll send you a video of me claiming that I want to fight Mike Tyson. He did nothing to back the videos up. I was upset when Roy lost to Tarver and Johnson in 2004. After that, everything else was irrelevant. Getting upset by Joe beating him, would be the same as getting upset by Green beating him.

Joe said in 2001 he'd be willing to go up to 175. He didn't go!

He said in 2004, he knew he had to go up. He didn't go!

He also said, he had a fear of flying.

In 2007 and in 2008, he said a fight with Roy, would be POINTLESS!

Later on that year, he overcame his fear of flying to go and fight Roy!


One word - PATHETIC!

And yes, I'm sure when Roy was at the top of his game, he was scared stiff of a nobody from Wales, that wasn't even in his weight class.

Roy and coach Merk were shivering wrecks, and had to seek counselling.

Have the links proven how he chased Roy for 6 years? Ha!

Hello! He didn't get to 175 til 2008. So taking that into consideration, how serious was he??

What, he couldn't move up to 175, or fight in America for another 6 years, due to those fights not coming off?

He left his division and fought Roy in America!

Joe wouldn't do that. He wouldn't take the risk.

No, he didn't personally call Roy out. He MENTIONED his name, and after the dust had settled, he continued to do what he'd been doing.

I've seen your links a hundred times!

No! He mentioned his name, and that was it!

No! Where's the proof he CHASED HIM??

It's just talk!

Name the 6 years, and tell me how he CHASED HIM!?

Again, how were they going to get him a shot at Roy, for the big money he wanted?

Hardly any of the American fans had seen Joe fight. Why don't you ask the American guys on here for their feedback? They were all fought at a different weight class. Even if Joe had've destroyed all of them fighters, it would only have made minor ripples in the boxing world.

Grant left his division to get the fight. Joe wouldn't leave his.

The Hopkins rematch would have to have been a catchweight. The circumstances were different. They'd got history, and Bernard was globally recognised, and Joe wasn't.

Why would he? When Pac has a home in L.A. and regularly fights in the U.S.? Again, it's a different set of circumstances. Bradley's known, Joe wasn't.

No it was just a coincidence that he fought Castillo in America. It had nothing to do with trying to get Floyd in the ring right?

He mocked Floyd, like Tarver mocked Roy.

At what weight did they eventually fight at? Ricky's 140, or Floyd's 147? Ricky didn't want to fight at 147, but he knew Floyd wouldn't come down, so he made the sacrifice and went up.

Grant was willing to fight at 175.

Bias agenda? He mentioned Roy's name, and then continued to fight at 168, while Roy remained at 175. Ha!

Ask someone on here then. He was relatively unknown.

Of course he mocked him! Floyd got straight on the phone to Ellerbe. It was a jibe, and it seems everyone but you realised it.

So what? The casual American fans didn't. Again, we'll ask Mind Reader or someone else on here.

No, but again, they were different circumstances. Two of them fought at 175, and the other one moved up.

No, because he fought there two or three times, and made a great impression on everyone, as well as mocking Floyd.

Do you think it was just a coincidence, that he got the opportunity to fight Manny shortly after? Do you think if Ricky had've stayed at home, and not fought Floyd, he'd have fought Manny in 2009? I don't think so!

Possibly, but there wouldn't have been any sort of big public demand for the fight. Now if Joe had've gone to the States earlier, and impressed, then maybe they would have been lots of interest. But we'll never know, because he never went, unitl it was too late.

When your promoter is wanting you to fight someone who finished 2nd on The Contender, at 35, to gain U.S. exposure, you know that you've made mistakes in your career.

I know where the fight was held thanks.

Lacy was the next big thing, and a lot of people tuned in. After the event, Joe had gained their respect.

No, try again.


Regards, Loudon