Observation on Frankie Gavin

I fear its this

Thers no way on Gods green earth that the man will get anywhere beyond domestic level unless he comes across a weak euro champ....its sad but he just doesnt have it as a pro

 

You two ***** leaders need to realise that Gavin is a talent wasted. He surpassed every other British fighter in boxing history when he won the world champs, but he has absolutely zero chance of doing it in the pros. Idon't know why that is...lack of commitment, lack of ability? I find the excuses about his mother being ill quite distasteful....the man who he fought on Thursday and who has been roundly ****ed over boxed Bradley a day after he found out about his dads cancer.....you get in the ring, don't bring in the excuses.

 

I was just about to make a point about how Gavin beat Aydin in the amateurs, and has a greater talent level but I'd be worried about him in pros because he doesn't seem like a welterweight to my eyes...

But then I matched him up with Lucas Matthyse and I have the same problem.

How the **** is he keeping these guys away from him and as decent as his defence is when guys start taking liberties its very hard to stop them getting home. So yeah...power is a massive, massive problem.

 

Maybe a new 143.5 lbs division might be the answer?:yep

 

Ironic that coming from the '***** leader' thats been hanging off Witter's nutsack since the day I joined this forum.

So Witter got in the ring after finding his Dad had cancer. Props to him for doing so, but i'm telling you now, I dont think 3/4 of this forum would have done so knowing how close Frankie is to his mother. And it wasn't just that was it? His Gran died, his mum got cancer and far far worse than that we know the other story bout his boy. All this going on in his life and he's a 100 miles from it all.

Say what you want about his career and where he'll be in a few years, but i'm disappointed in you Ice to be honest. Saying he should have just got on with these issues as if nothing had happened is pretty stupid.

Also, another note i've picked up on with this forum. I remember a while back when there used to be some perspective with some of the older lads on this forum. When people weren't blind-sided by the 'failure' of not becoming a world champion. Even if Gavin only wins the British and European. When was it in boxing that being the Irish, British and European champions was deemed a failure?

 

I'm inclined to agree actually, I just don't think that it's the weight that's the main issue.

I think getting too much money too quickly went to his head - he's not the first and he won't be the last mind - and he's been nowhere near active enough, even in spite of his problems.

Plus, he probably turned pro a bit late, he's 27 now and having been moved at a snails pace they really need to get a move on.

It can still happen for him but all the stars need to align and there can't be any more mistakes.

 

Failure is relative. Simple fact is Gavin clearly had the ability, but didn't have the dedication. Given his talent he will be a failure if he only get to British and European level.

Also while it may be harsh, I'm with Ice you don't bring excuses into the ring, you deal with the issues or you don't. While his familiies illness' may be unfortunate and for which he has my sympathies, there is plenty of side issues which he brought on himself through either poor life choices or simple unprofessional behavior on his part.

Even if this is all behind him now and he starts moving forward he will still have failed to hit the heights he could have done if he'd taken his career seriously as his talent deserved which is the real kicker for him.

 

audley harrison

 

That's not the Irish champion, which don't mean much.

 

Larry Ekundayo is coming for him.

 

But there is ALWAYS a reason or an excuse with Gavin, though.

I didn't know that about Junior getting into the ring knowing the day before that his Dad had Cancer! He just went up a TON in my estimation.

I've said it before... By next December Gavin would have retired. You watch!

 

failure is relative and it sounds harsh to say Gavin will have failed if he doesn't win a world title, and being british champion is an achievement beyond which most are capable of. however he is supremely talented with great boxing ability, he picks shots well, he counters, he has a good boxing brain, he doesnt seem to have a glass chin etc, the only thing missing is power, but power isnt the be all and end all, malignaggi has none but can still operate at top level and hang with cotto, so all isnn't lost, he just needs to get a move on, he should have the lonsdale outright and vacated by june/july and be looking at a european shot next autumn then onto world honours asap, no point hanging around now. he has the ability but hes wasted too much time now, he needs to get stuck in

 

He throws 5 punches a round.

 

:deal Very low output, his tactics were abysmal against Witter.

 

I think people would be less sceptical of Gavin if it wasn't automatically assumed by the pundits - and forced up on us for that matter - that he'd reach world level at a canter and top fighters would just be a breeze.

That applies to DeGale too.

Those that are given the big publicity are looked at more closely and their weaknesses scrutinised to a greater extent.

Frankie isn't the first touted prospect to struggle to get out of first gear in fights, or have a slower than ideal start to their career....

I'm just glad that the lessons from the class of 2008 appear to have been learned.

What's especially frustrating with Frankie is that he appears to really want to fight more often, but it's not happening.

Sticking him in with someone dangerous would be the best tactic, someone who Frankie believes is capable of knocking him out. He might be the type that performs best with his back to the wall....

I'd imagine it's hard, one minute you're fighting the best amateur boxers on the planet, and the next you're fighting a man who's comparable to a pub drunk. Some find the adjustment easier than others.