Wlad/Wach, Cleverly/Hawk, Mares/Moreno & Lara/Vanes RbR!

I will not be watching mares again that annoyed me too much, unless he fights Donaire or Rigo or someone whos enough of a star that the ref won't just let him do what he wants.

 

:dead Dpnaire will knock him out, Rigo has dodgy whiskers.

 

On a separate note, the Twatter war between Jaffa and McCrory is pretty amusing.

Jeffries is such a whiny little girl.

 

Just watched it that score card is an absolute joke,I thought even the other two were a bit wide.

I can't take to Mares at all dirty little ******* as never ever gets penalised somehow the opponent always comes out worse,it's a joke.

 

That's it if your fighting Mares you have to be just as dirty. I hope Noniti sparks him.

 

I predicted a robbery but what we got was a fight that could go either way insurprisingly go Mares way. Had it by a point to Moreno so no robbery but the ref was poor and the score cards as well. Mares is a cheating little **** as he knows refs will always let him get away that stuff so why not carry on cheating?



And 120-106. Nothing you can really say is there?:roll:

 

There was a instance where Mares had Moreno on the ropes with Moreno in a low position and Mares uses the elbow. One of the early rounds, The guy is a utter scumbag but don't worry guys he's gonna be beaten in near future.

Moreno exposed him to the body, He does not like that at all and IMO he kidded his way through twice being hurt to body. Moreno just wouldn't keep the pressure up downstairs but i damn well know he hurt him because he started backing up as soon as the shot landed.

I'm not impressed by Abner, When a man resorts to landing numerous low blows then you know he's not that effective in his legal work. It's blatant what he's doing and referee's allow the golden boy to hit low all night long.

 

I had it 116-110 to Mares. I can't see how anyone objectively watching that fight could give Moreno enough rounds to win it.

I was glad to see the true colours of Chemito coming out there last night. The hyperbole around him for beating two guys made for him in Vic and De la Mora was just insane and he reverted to type there last night. If anyone has actually watched his career in detail, they'd have seen how overly defensive he is and how he just spoils whenever there's the slightest danger. Sidorenko and Cermeno were never clever or effective enough with their pressure to prevent him from spoiling and the fact that he still allowed them fights to get so close is testament to how much he has been overrated. He is always looking to drag his opponents head down and tries to tie up/turn his back on them often, to prevent ANY inside fighting. Comparisons between him and Sweet Pea? Don't make me laugh!

Mares is always going to have problems with low blows as I've said before because of the way he is positioned when throwing the punch and, most importantly, because he always throws a lot downstairs. But once again like with Agbeko I, the fact that the vast majority he throws are legal gets ignored because of his reputation but I honestly believe that Moreno was the one primarily initiating the foul punches last night.

Anyway, leaving that aside when it comes down to the actual boxing, I've got to say Mares seriously impressed me. I'm a big fan but I realise he has numerous flaws and I worried that they could be exposed vs, not his hardest opponent yet, but certainly his trickiest one. However, his aggression and pressure was both efeective and well balanced. He mixed it up so well and the overhand right and lead left uppercut were beautifully used to dissect Moreno. It's so hard to get inside and keep it there against someone who is constantly back pedalling, even at times running backwards. His punch selection was very good IMO and it showed in the punch stats. Collectively, Moreno's previous opponents had landed 17% against him on average but Abner was in the high twenties so credit to him and his tactics for that. They worked very well.

He controlled the fight for the first 8 rounds IMO but once again his issue with pacing 12 rounds fights came up. It was more understandable here with the ferocious pace h set but Moreno landed some good body shots later and that was the first time Mares looked to be affected by what Moreno landed. Chemito's work to the head was primarily the pushing, tapping shots he had used in the 4 Sidorenko/Cermeno fights and they just had no real effect. He for once wasn't in control of the tempo and from there, his limitations were exposed I felt.

Mares deserves to be top 10 p4p after that in my view. His run of opponents (Perez, Vic, Agbeko 1 & 2, Morel and now Moreno) is up there with Froch's for the toughness of them fights and I believe he's won them all. I still think Donaire would beat him but there'd be no shame in that and I think it's a fight that needs to happen next

 

just watched it on sky+,thought it was a great night of boxing.
how and why would anyone be disappointed :roll:

 

Just finished catching up with everything, there were a lot of brutal fights last night.

Mares was impressive, he overwhelmed Moreno at times with combinations & ruthless pressure. Once he started timing his right hand I thought he might get the stoppage but he ran out of gas somewhat towards the end of the fight. Mares clearly deserved the win on my card even without the deductions.

Santa Cruz is a monster at 118lbs, him vs Mares would be great fun.

Mikey Garcia looked good again if, perhaps, a little over cautious. I like his composure & patience but he did get outworked in a couple of rounds before he really went for the guy & landed a lovely left hook to finish.

Lara was lazy & lucky to get a draw.

 

I had Lara winning, Didn't think Vanes did a great deal himself. Lara was very economical but was the better of the two in most aspects from defence to offence and i think Vanes knew it himself. Bad bad cut, but i think Lara would of went on to win the later rounds.

Lovely to see Angulo back, Been a long time but he's a welcome addition to the division.

 

Opinions on Cleverly? Fair enough his opponent was dross as per for him at the moment but it was a damn sight better than vs Karpency. It's no gauge as to how he would do vs a top level fighter but a decent enough performance I felt vs a late replacement

 

Yeah, decent performance but I've seen no improvements in Cleverly in the last two years, the finish was good and at times picked his punches nicely.

It's time to step up now for FW and Clev.

 

It's hard to judge where Cleverly is at because his opposition is so sub-standard. Usually with a prospect, which he basically still is, you can view their progress because they step up their level of fights consistently. But with Cleverly, after his great performance against Murat, it's just gone backwards. I'd be surprised if he hadn't regressed as a fighter because he's not having real challenges at this stage in his career. And if he's serious about unification fights or going after the likes of Hopkins, that's very dangerous for him because it's a huge step up

 

Yep, There's always the possibility Cleverly is bored in fighting guys like Karpency and Hawk and isn't switched on 100%, Chilemba or Shumenov are fights I'd like to see Nathan in.

Frank really has promoted him poorly, that fight last night did absolutely nothing for Cleverly other then gain him some exposure in the states.