lennox's resume is hardly better than wlad's

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  1. thesandman

    thesandman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I didn't realise Holy stopped aging at 37.
    Didn't Holy and Ruiz go 1-1-1?

    And I don't think Lewis beating Tyson means **** all. It was one old guy past his best, beating one almost as old guy, who was miles past his best.

    Who has Wlad beat that compares to a 31 year old Vitaly BTW?
     
  2. aduriz

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    franc botha had a belt ( ibf heavyweight title ) and more importantly , he got ko'd by wlad less than 2 years after the lewis fight . so it's funny to see the double standard here , give lewis credit for the win , but not wlad :verysad
    bruce seldon was not good , he lost to pretty much every good opponent he faced

    chagaev , haye , chris byrd , samuel peter etc.. are better than most of the 90's titles holders
     
  3. Manning

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    The same version of Holy that Lewis fought.

    A further down the line version of Holy.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzyIt_iyCac[/ame]

    Both near shut out victories for Byrd and Iggy.
     
  4. KidDynamite

    KidDynamite Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    The IBF never accepted Botha as a champion since he tested positive for steroids

    Bruce won the WBA title when it was vacant
     
  5. irishny

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    A MUCH further down the line Holy.

    Even the Byrd fight was 3 years after he fought Lewis.

    Theres a guy on tyhis page who reckoned Holy was already past ity when he fight Lewis.

    What does that mean he was 3 years later??

    Let alone against Iggy when he was 44!
     
  6. WiDDoW_MaKeR

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    Yes, Holy and Ruiz went 1-1-1, with Ruiz walking away with the title. The only reason that they fought 3 times, was because Holyfield's win over Ruiz was extremely controversial and most felt that he clearly lost. So... that Holyfield was a great win for Lewis? C'mon man... he was clearly past his best. You think prime Holyfield goes 1-1-1 with John Ruiz? BTW, Holyfield was still 37 when he fought Ruiz the first time.


    You are really going to brag up a fight, won by a grazing punch that caused a cut... in which Lewis was losing on all scorecards? A fight that ultimately chased Lewis into retirement? Lewis sat on his title for 8 months after his fight with Klitschko, making Vitali jump through hoops for a rematch... trying to sue Tyson into the ring and fight Roy Jones Jr... then immediately retired when the WBC rules that he must fight Vitali next.

    That's something to be proud of? I give Lewis credit for hanging in there after being completely embarrased by Vitali in that 2nd round. However, it sure as hell wasn't a fight that proved Lewis was a better boxer than Vitali. If anything, it was a fight that proved exactly how good Vitali was. By all accounts, Vitali became much better with the confidence boost that he had after that fight. We saw Vitali growing into his prime after his fight with Lewis and then his career was cut short by injuries, retirement, ect...

    Sure, Lewis walked out of that fight with a W. However, that didn't prove that he was better than Vitali, and Lewis sure as hell wasn't interested in fighting again to find out. Even with the buckets of money that was thrown at him for the rematch.... over 25 million dollars. That says all that we need to know about how Lewis really felt about that win, and about his chances in a rematch.
     
  7. irishny

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    was not caused by a "grazing punch"
     
  8. KidDynamite

    KidDynamite Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    LOL @ this fraud Klittard

    He sued Tyson (it was actually Don King) BEFORE he fought bitchko, not afterwards when he "sat on his title"

    He sued Don King in May of 2003 and fought Quitali in June of 2003
     
  9. KidDynamite

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    60 stiches and cosmetic surgery = "grazing punch" and bitchko land
     
  10. WiDDoW_MaKeR

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    The cut that ended the fight, in the 3rd round was CLEARLY caused by a grazing punch. Vitali dipped to the right, and Lewis' right, missing it's mark, gripped and ripped the skin of Vitali's eye with either the edge, or the thumb of Lewis' glove.

    This is the punch (the first right hand attempted in this GIF)... see for yourself if you are actually interested in the truth.
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  11. Manning

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    Yes and those fights weren't close at all and I personally stick by my original point in saying Iggy and Byrd were much tougher foes than the versions of Tyson and Holy that Lewis beat.
     
  12. irishny

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    Highly debateable as to what constitutes a grazed punch.
    And the 3 other AWFUL looking cuts on his face?

    Grazed punches too?
     
  13. irishny

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    Yes,because they were fighting shot to **** versions of Holy.

    Holyfield was IBF and WBA champ when Lewis fought him.
    He was 18 months out from defeating a still very dangerous Tyson and a year out from completely destroying Moorer.

    He was still for all intents and purposes,in his prime.

    When he fought Byrd he was past it,and against Iggy he was shot to ****.

    The Holyfield that Lewis beat, trumps ANYTHING of Wlads record.
     
  14. WiDDoW_MaKeR

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    The cut around the eye was the cut that stopped the fight. Yes, he had a cut on his cheek, and his lip was busted (from that uppercut). It's a fight, people can get cut without being a lesser fighter. Wlad was cut and bleeding in his domination of Wach. It happens.

    However, the cut was CLEARLY caused by a grazing punch. Sorry, that doesn't make Lewis better. It makes him fortunate.
     
  15. KidDynamite

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    Yeah I see the bulk of Lennox's GLOVE, not thumb which was oriented away from Klits face, doing the damage.

    And he had MULTIPLE cuts not just one

    And what does it matter? A cut is a cut, its a part of the sport.