lennox's resume is hardly better than wlad's

please go to British forum, stop embarrassing yourself

 

:yep Ive broke down the competition in every era from JOHN L to LL you clown . The facts are clear . This era is fine and the brothers are extrordinary figters . That the fact .:good

 

Wlad has never fought the number 2 in his era.

Lewis has fought and beaten the number 2 in his own and Vlads era

 

Byrd also deserved to lose against Oquendo. If he had those two deserved losses on his record, I don't think he'd be as highly rated as he is.

I've always considered Byrd to be Wlad's best opponent and I still do, but by a much lesser margin. He was nowhere near a great fighter. He did deserve to lose to both Golota and Oquendo, which would greatly diminish his record if he had actual losses.

I don't think Byrd was as good as fighters like Jerry Quarry, Jimmy Young or Razor Ruddock. He was a level below those guys and probably doesn't belong in the top 50 heavyweights of all time.

 

Well resume saying you beat every guy you fought in your career is pretty good.

 

By the same token klit fans are first to point at guys like calzaghe and say he's overrated his division sucked for ages he avoided certain people blah blah blah.Cant escape the fact that apart from the klits there have been no good heavies you have to bring up cruiserweights when discussing the only opponents without man boobs and one packs.

I seriously don't think wlad would have lasted 3 rounds against many of the 90's heavies.

 

I don't belittle Vitali, he's an ABC titleist with numerous defences against awful opposition, who showed he wasn't good enough to beat the best from the previous era and refuses to fight the best in his own era, and now refuses to fight the 2nd or 3rd best in Haye. Lewis' top 10 ATG status would have been assured without facing Vitali, and that one victory isn't really enough to place him any higher by more than 1 or 2 spots so it makes little difference to his legacy overall.

 

I agree. The keys for Wlad are:

1. Do not get knocked out by some random bum
2. Ideally stay and retire unbeaten from hereon
3. The guys he beats in the next 2-4 years have to become future HW belt holders

That would solidify Wlad's HW standing tremendously. Obviously, it would all fall apart if some random guy comes along and KTFOs him.

 

The problem for Wlad's legacy is that he's already been knocked out by C-class fighters, in Brewster and Sanders. Even if he doesn't lose again in his career, those losses will always haunt him. They have to. His legacy will always be defined by his past.

 

My guess is the TS didn' follow boxing in the 90's or wasn't old enough. Most ignorant posts like this are because people look at boxrec after the fact and form their own conclusions.

****, i remember my Dad telling me how good some fighters i thought were a joke were at the end of their careers. he would get pissed at my lack of knowledge, now I understand why.

 

This. If i started following boxing in the 2000's like a lot of the clowns here, I too would probably think Lewis, Tyson, Holyfield, etc were nothing special in their prime. Fortunately, a lot of posters here have been fans for decades and know better. This HW era is shocking, and it's not helped by the two main champions continually fighting a succession of cans, novices, cruiserweights and has-beens while avoiding each other. I understand that they're brothers, but it has to be held against them when other fighters had to do it all, and more, on their own.

 

I'll post this here because I had it saved in a file and it relates to the topic being discussed.

Boxrec ranking numbers of Wlad and Lewis's top 15 wins.

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:yep Just ****ing wow . But a lightheavyweight can be undisputed then lose it to a 44 year old slow a turtle grandfather . The stupidity here is monumental . And you can through in BUSTER and CRACKHEAD OLIVER to round out the group of apparent 90s beasts . lol

 

I think Boxrec is very flawed with those ratings...

Joe Gans for example should be rated much much higher.

 

My belief is that no ranking system can be perfect but at least Boxrec has a system rather then being based on bribes, politics and popularity. A lot of people do complain about Boxrec but when there was a vote on this forum about which rankings where best between Boxrec, WBA, WBC, WBO and the IBF. Boxrec won easily.

As for Joe Gans, Boxrec admits that it's rankings for older fighters aren't perfect. Even if they have all of Gans fights in the database they may not have the complete records of all his opponents, which brings down his ranking. I'm also not entirely convinced about the way they calculate the "all time" rankings of retired fighters.

What I Iike best about Boxrec and other computer based systems ( I believe the IBO is similar ) is that if you don't agree with your ranking, the rules are fair, beat guys above you and move up.

I personally use the site just as a reference and to check fighters records but I do think it's points system is good for checking the stage fighters are at during a certain point in time.

For example we know Lewis beat Tyson. Prime Tyson had 2092 points. The Tyson Lewis beat had 604. Therefore even if we knew nothing about boxing and had never seen either guy, we could seen that Lewis didn't beat a prime Tyson. Of course we know from watching their careers that that is an accurate assessment.

Boxrec is just another tool, not perfect but often more accurate than the biased (human) opinions posted by users on this forum.