Why did no one tell Berto the shoulder roll doesn't work against southpaws??

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  1. church11

    church11 Member Full Member

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    i was hoping this one would get posted. thank you sir.

    truly awesome
     
  2. ROACH

    ROACH Boxing Addict banned

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    Man, you're little boy rich ass doesn't know a damn thing, and you pretend to be somebody you're not.

    I seen a picture of your girl.

    You try to say you're somebody you're not. Who's the pathetic one?

    Sorry ass mother ****er.

    And picking and choosing doesn't mean a damn thing. That fight is completely irrelevant for the most part to begin with because Mayweather's ***** ass ended it early with the cheap shot.

    And I can show you shots of Ortiz landing shots, and Mayweather being forced to adjust his guard, but unfortunately, due to Mayweather's decision to end things the way he did, I have as little as you do.

    And don't tell me **** about geo political strategy. You're ultra rich, protected ass, doesn't know a damn thing about any of that. You just sit in your parents paid for college, without having a job, and think you understand how the world works.

    In reality, you live in a fantasy world, and you perpetuate that by creating a fake persona online.

    I see through you.
     
  3. |A|C|S|

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    :rofl
     
  4. Slothrop

    Slothrop Boxing Junkie banned

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    :lol:
     
  5. ROACH

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    What did he post?

    He posted exactly what I said.

    You got to keep the fight in the center of the ring. Only one gif shows Ortiz miss a shot when Floyd is going back against the ropes, but everybody that saw the fight, (key not you, a casual fan that just showed up and only watched the fight on youtube), noticed that Ortiz only got any work done against the ropes.

    In fact, right before "the incident" Ortiz was beggining to time Floyd. Who am I talking to though, another ***** ass rich boy troll? The answer: Most likely.

    And what's pathetic is, Ortiz was actually getting work done, and this is the same mother ****er that couldn't get past Lopez.
     
  6. SouthpawJab

    SouthpawJab On his way up!! 4-0!! Full Member

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    Ortiz didn't get much work done at all. On the ropes or anywhere.

    Broner didn't really use the shoulder roll against Demarco. He got buzzed by a straight left when he tried it from the outside. Once he closed the gap, DeMarco wasn't a southpaw anymore.
     
  7. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    Damn you closed that niccaz eyes.:rofl

    Bodybags! Blat!
     
  8. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    :lol::lol::rofl:rofl:patsch
     
  9. ROACH

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    But that's because Broner was bigger and stronger than Demarco, as well as being faster and more skilled.

    If he has the same strength discrepancy as did Berto against Guerrero, he would either have to use his legs or get pushed against the ropes and be kept off balance.

    I also disagree with what you said about Broner getting hit often by the left. I thought he was countering beautifully with the left hook, which is what discouraged DeMarco and made him abandon his gameplan and go for broke.

    The problem is Broner is a big dude and very strong.

    And Ortiz didn't get much of an opportunity to put in a lot of work, but Floyd was missing more shots than I've ever seen, was head hunting too much, and was working too hard.

    Ortiz actually started to time him and push him back against the ropes and land some shots through Mayweather's guard in the 4th round.

    Unfortunately, the incident happend, but size and pressure can make a difference, especially if you allow your opponent to push you against the ropes.

    This is why Pacquaio was so effective against Margarito. Pacquaio used his legs and kept off the ropes. If he would have stayed agianst the ropes, Margarito would have stopped him.

    A lot of that has to do with Margarito's size.

    Guerrero isn't the most skilled guy in the world and certainly not the best athlete, but he bullied Berto against the ropes.

    If Berto would have chose to use his legs and move around the ring, he could have won the fight, but you saw what happened.

    Guerrero realized early on, as you can see in those clips that stupid ass bball posted, in the first round, that Berto was effective with teh shoulder roll as he kept the fight in the center of the ring and maintained some distance.

    So that's why Guerrero adjusted, and used his size and strenght to bully Berto and keep him off balance.

    I'm not sure a high guard would have helped him anymore than the shoulder roll against the ropes, but he did use it against Ortiz, and managed to survive.
     
  10. ROACH

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    I stick by that.

    I know a lot of older guys that are ****ed up from lifting weights.

    In contrast, there are guys that use bodyweight and they got better builds and more functional strength.

    If you want to **** yourself up, it's your body. But don't say I didn't warn you.

    You're only in your prime for a short while...

    The rest of the time you ain't.

    Think about that for a while.
     
  11. FloydPatterson

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    Any Mayweather Judah Gifs?
     
  12. BoneCollecter

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    broner is strong but he is not a "big dude" by any means.
     
  13. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    “Freddy the joke coach Roach, who wouldn’t dare to approach.
    He’s a roach blowing smoke with no hope.
    Manny just moved from first class to the coach with the roach.
    And now he’ll be sprayed with Raid and underpaid.
    Because at the end of the night his title will be gone.
    Just like the roach when the lights come on.”
     
  14. SweatPea

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    lol, you mad bro?
     
  15. pejevan

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    From a technical standpoint, a shoulder roll is effective against a fighter whose stance is the same as you.

    However, in a fighter who fights opposite stance, example southpaw vs. orthodox, a shoulder roll is not as effective.

    The reason simply is that the philly stance lead foot is almost 90 degrees to the oppnent, and the power hand, which is he trailing hand would have to cover quite a distance to travel with that stance. Assuming the lead hand has a potent jab, he will be hitting the sides, or in this Berto's case, the back of the head.

    Don't be a fool in using Ortiz as an example because only a dumb**** ***** could use such stupid argument. Ortiz was attacking as if his head can eat a 45 slug. It does not matter whether it is an orthodox or southpaw opponent, Ortiz will still be Ortrees.